I am sure you all recall my post about Dean Solomon, the animal hoarding faux rescuer who photoshopped off the sides of her ass when she posted her pic on the Internet. Today I have an update for you. I am very pleased to announce that, thanks to literally years of work by people trying desperately to stop this woman from acquiring more horses, Dean has finally been formally charged with 4 counts of 2nd degree animal cruelty.
HOORAY to those of you who did not give up! I know it was frustrating and that Dean made many, many threats and harrassed those of you who were trying to stop her. You did the right thing and it paid off. Your courage in pursuing this matter is commendable.
And THANK YOU to King County Animal Control. I know everybody is on your ass lately, but this did not happen without the hard work of various KCAC officers...again over a period of years. So kudos to you!
Here's a better picture of Dean (sans Photoshopping) so that when she moves to your neighborhood - because we all know what hoarders do, they move to some place where animal control is asleep at the switch like rural Idaho or Kern County, California - you will know not to trust her and never to sell or give her any animal!Here is a statement from the GOOD rescue that has been heavily involved in cleaning up the mess that Dean left behind. This rescue is local to me and while I haven't visited yet, I do plan to, and I have friends who have visited and have nothing but good things to say about the care the horses are receiving. I feel comfortable encouraging you to donate if you would like to help these neglected horses regain their health.
Hi, I am the owner of Serenity Equine Rescue and Rehabilitation. I have been working on the PEC case since last May. I have taken 22 horses from PEC, the last 10 were released to my custody in Feb of this year with Animal Control standing by.
We had all the horses evaluated by a vet upon arrival and the vet stated in her reports that the horses suffered from "severe neglect and animal cruelty". We took pictures of the issues with each horse and documented everything. We also have been collecting statements from people who have had experiences with Dean. We prepared a binder of documentation , vet reports, pictures of all the horses and their specific problems, signed statements from people who had experiences with PEC/Dean and gave all of it to AC.
Friday of last week AC sent Probable Cause paperwork to the prosecuting attorney's office and this past Tuesday Dean was charged with 4 counts of 2nd degree animal cruelty with maybe more to come...Her arraignment date is April 29th. We have been rehabilitating the horses and many still have along way to go. Serenity is really struggling to care for all the horses and I am in need of some support. I would be grateful if you could share this story with the horse community. Here is our website address www.serenityequinerescue.com Thanks for any help you can give.
Patricia Clark, SERR
FHOTD back in: UPDATE - APRIL 22, 2008 - I received the following e-mail. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
THIS HAPPENED YESTERDAY 4/21/08
so, two brave souls went to PEC because they heard that there was a sick youngster there that wasnt doing well...PEC was ordered to remove all horses from her property so they were not expecting to find anything...oooops, not only is there a sick youngster, there is a total of EIGHT horses there...hmmmm, so lets see 3 fields of horses and eight at foreclosed PEC...wow, that is some serious hay, vet and farrier bills...oh thats right, you dont have those do you dean?
the brave gals got a ticket for trespassing but they called AC and found the eight horses. i am sure dean is going to have a field day with this so i wanted to be sure the true story gets out...the AC officer that was called out there was an AUBURN officer who told us he knows nothing about horses...lot of help there.he was also one of the AC officers that assisted in the evacuation of PEC in feb. we shall see if she gets busted for having the eight there...this is just amazing that people still support this woman...we are done staying quiet...
282 comments:
So glad that they finally did something about Dean. Way to go to all who were involved in getting her stopped!
I'd be curious to see her photo-shopped self portrait!
Happy to see that she is charged and I hope she gets charged the max on all accounts. Kudos to the rescue who stepped up to take care of all the horses from her facility. Please keep us posted on all the details from the courthouse.
Glad to see that she was charged and hope that she gets convicted!
Lets see her photoshop her ass out of the orange jumpsuit!!!! Stupid cow
I'm glad to hear she has been charged, she definately had a hell of a nerve to threaten people, hope she gets what's coming to her.
Wow, that is a very large woman....
Wait wait. So she can afford Starbucks drinks, but she can't afford to feed her horses?
I'm sorry, but if you're neglecting your animals you'd damn well better be drinking Dunkin' Donuts.
That is good news for a Monday!
I still find it hilarious that she emailed me to inform me that she is not a he.
Like I give a shit about gender or sexual preferences of asshats who treat animals like shit. What a douche bag!
WOO HOO!!! Please keep us up-dated. Hope the charges stick and she gets convicted.
And regarding her pic, wow... how can she have that little of a head on such a huge body? No wonder she photoshopped her ass!
Fleeting said...
Wait wait. So she can afford Starbucks drinks, but she can't afford to feed her horses?
I'm sorry, but if you're neglecting your animals you'd damn well better be drinking Dunkin' Donuts.
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Don't be dissin' my Dunkin' Donuts now. I think their coffee is far better than Starbucks.
With the exception of the Pumpkin Spice Latte. Yummmm, but you can only get it in the fall.
Woo Hoo!!! This piece of trash finally is going to get what she deserves. I am relieved to know that no one will ever again be taken by her lies, and no other animal will have to live in that FILTHY Hell hole that she kept.
Whew, more horses win! Let's hope these charges stick and everyone on earth learns about her and we can take one more hoarder out of circulation ... for now.
(And wow, she really did Photoshop her ass, even more than I originally thought she had ...)
Yahoo!!!!
What great news....now I am off to check out the rescue site, see what they need ;)
BRAVO to everyone who assisted in getting this woman charged!
So, what can they do to you over 4 counts of second degree animal cruelty? Can they take her land? Does she get jail time? What are the potential fines? Is it considered criminal, or civil? If it's criminal and she skates, can she then be prosecuted in civil court? (you know, like OJ?)
Sorry, lots of questions.
Wow, no WONDER she photoshopped her arse!!!
I hope she never gets to hoard an animal again...dreadful woman.
Nx
WOW - THAT'S AWESOME. -it's tragic so many horses had to suffer in the process, but fantastic that this did not get swept under the rug. That's two this week - there is a case that's been discussed on BAEN for a few months now -the Alisha Matchett case -looks like she's going to get nailed pretty hard too. Bueno.
What's happening with $cam? Is she getting charged (hopefully) with anything?
I wonder about all the horses she moved and all the new horses she's since acquired.
Fleeting said...
Wait wait. So she can afford Starbucks drinks, but she can't afford to feed her horses?
I'm sorry, but if you're neglecting your animals you'd damn well better be drinking Dunkin' Donuts.
I was thinking the exact same thing...
wooooo!!! just had a quake. Not the normal rolling kind, one of the slam ones. Thought the window might go for a sec.
I'm with Horspoor. What are the penalties she faces? Fines, jail time, community service, ability to own animals revoked?
What does this asshat face? Has the health department considered her place unfit for occupancy?
Maybe KCAC can add a few more departments to the arsenal and really get her ass nailed to the wall.
Although it looks as if it may take a railroad spike or two. I happen to have a few lying around. I am willing to donate!
I urge my fellow bloggers to send SERR whatever you can afford. I just did.
It's the least I can do to help with the horses they have taken on because of Dean, and it's the best way I can think of to reward Patricia Clark for her tenacity and courage in going after this worthless Dean person.
If we each gave $10 to $20 that would add up just mahvelously!
And people wonder why I'm so cynical about "rescues." More often than not, they're run by well-meaning but clueless people who don't realize they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Speaking of clueless and being part of the equine overpopulation problem, I thought I'd pass along this Paint breeder's website.
http://www.aspenwestpainthorses.com/broodmares.htm
Fugly, I'd love to see your comments on this one! It's a great example of so many aspects of breeding ignorance.
I was just reading where someone was bemoaning this whole thing and arguing that rescuers should stick together.
BULLSHIT!
The good rescuers MUST speak out against the bad ones or we will ALL be tarred with the same brush. It's so important for the public to know that when they donate, it's not going to some hoarder hell-hole where horses are suffering and dying.
WHENEVER a group adopts that "protect the group" mentality, it loses credibility. Look at politicians who won't speak out when one of "their own" is clearly in the wrong.
I think part of Dean's sentence should be 5,000 hours of donated, supervised stall cleaning. It would take her YEARS to complete, but every Saturday and Sunday, she should be escorted to a difference boarding facility and under supervision (meaning SHE doesn't handle any of the horses) she mucks stall ALL DAY LONG. I doubt she'll learn anything from it, though... OH!!! She should have to wear a shirt that reads "I abused my horses" and have to say it out loud to everyone who passes her at the barn! (I can think of other things but this one will do to start!)
There are charlatans in all areas of life, and they need to be weeded out!
It's bloody sad, but a fact of life. At least the good ones mend our faith in humankind.
Nx
I hope the rescue serenity acres is NOT in NM. There is one in NM that raffles off a young gelding - at least he is gelded - to anywhere. I can't google them and the name is different:
Serenity Acres Equine Sanctuary, a 501 (c) 3 non profit has been
attempting to raffle a sport horse to help fund the purchase of a new
draft stock trailer. "Chance" is a coming one y/o black and white
TB/Percheron/ Paint gelding. He will be over 16H at maturity. He has
been at our ranch in NM all winter. He is quiet,, leads, loads.
The raffle includes the transport to all lower 48 states.
Winner must meet our adoption requirements/ screening.
Tickets are $25 each.
We had originally hoped to sell 600 - to cover the cost of the
trailer,
but sales have been very slow. We really want to give Chance a home
soon. So we are planning on selling 100 tickets.
Odds are 100 to one. Not bad.
Please go to www.serenityacresnm .com for more info and pics, or email
me for more info serenityacres@ hotmail.com.
Also, our PMU rancher has cut the prices on many of his draft cross
yearlings and older horses. They can be viewed at www.pmurescue. org
under Serenity Acres. He has lost 5 of his leased pastures and is
considering all offers.
thanks and good luck!
Becky Ferranti
Hahah, great idea Karen V, what a change it would be for her to do something that actually HELPED horses! It warms the cockles (and sub-cockles) of my heart to imagine all the looks of loathing she'd recieve. Better make that "I horribly abused my horses" ...
I'm hanging out to know what the charges would mean for her too.
And ENORMOUS congrats to those who have worked to have them laid! You people are heroes!
THAT would be absolutely awesome, if everyone that abuses an animal has to wear a T-shirt that states: I abused my....Horse, dog etc. and then has to clean stalls in a public barn, Kennels at dog shows etc. I think I start a petition on this (have to find out how first)
I think Dean's t-shirt further deserves personalizing... underneath "I abused my horses" there should also be "I am not a rescuer"
cutnjump, no offense meant. It was just the first coffee that wasn't over $5/drink that popped into my head.
And, as a side note, Pumpkin spice lattes are DELICIOUS. Just not so delicious that my horses would be starving so I could indulge myself in one.
With any luck, she'll get a hanging judge... :D
I absolutely love pumpkin spice lattes, but for you horsepeople on a budget, I have to tell you that the new McDonald's caramel iced coffee is pretty damn good!
I mentioned this on the board, but one of the new FHOTD shirts (waiting on some graphic submissions) is going to say:
RESCUER WITH A JOB
Your wallet is safe around me!
Windsor,
The Serenity Equine rescue that took in these horses is located south of Seattle, WA. It is a reputable organization and worthy of support (financial and otherwise!).
Fleeting- no offense taken and those PSL are too good to make us wait until fall for...
But I agree if someone is starving animals of any species, why should they deserve ANY perks life has to offer? I don't care how much they cost or if they have a coupon...
Oh and Dean, since we all know you lurk here...
Maybe if you lay off the latte's you wouldn't need to photoshop your ass. But then getting off your ass would also help in reducing the size of it.
Horspoor, Did you have a quake? Hope everything is o.k. Does anyone know whether 2nd degree cruelty is a felony ? I will be upset if this woman only gets a fine or something, She also made threats and defrauded people out of money, hope she gets additional charges.
FHOTD-
I mentioned this on the board, but one of the new FHOTD shirts (waiting on some graphic submissions) is going to say:
RESCUER WITH A JOB
Your wallet is safe around me!
How about a horse munching on some green- as in cash...
This isn't related to the blog post, but I wanted to share it with you all. I just got home from spending the weekend in Tampa. While I was there, I saw some interesting ads in the classified section of the paper. Two of the ads were from the same place. The first was advertising some horses for sale and they sounded like classic BYBs. The second said "Free horse if you board with us." We sometimes joke about people not being able to give their crappy horses away, but it sounds like these folks are actually giving it a try.
I also saw an ad from someone named "Cindy," that I think has been featured on this blog before. The ad offered to buy your horse, cow, goat, pig, etc., "anything but dogs and cats," and promised "a good home." Uh, yeah. I'm sure.
Yes, I always read the hay, livestock and horse for sale sections in the classifieds whenever I'm visiting anyplace. I just like to see what's on the market and what the prices are.
Cynthia said...
With any luck, she'll get a hanging judge... :D
Naaaaah. Hanging would be too quick and not painful enough for what Dean has done.
How about hanging her and letting responsible horse owners as well as those working for the rescues cleaning up her mess, all take a few whacks at her like a pinata.
Then the hanging would be good.
Winsor, Serenity Equine Rescue is definately not the one in NM. It's located in WA and Patricia is a terrific person. She is all about the horses and I am thankful that people like her still exist in rescue work.
One of her charges, a special little guy to me, finally has a chance at a decent life now that he is free of Dean's clutches. If I could have taken them all away from that I would but I could only take two and had to leave my red boy behind. I wouldn't wish that kind of decision on my worst enemy and that has haunted me for the past year. I am so grateful he ended up with Patricia. If I had one wish it would be for Dean or anyone who supports her to never have another animal as long as they live.
Thanks for clearing up the Serenety acres question. I am sure the folks in NM mean well, but I am not for raffling off one of your rescue Horses, there are boat loads of other ways for a fundraiser. And I do hope the fat cow ( my apologies to cows, they are actually nice animals) with the pricey coffee gets what she deserves and then some.
I have heard good things about Serenity Rescue (in Washington).
The ad "Free horse if boarded with us" is from a slimy place called Sun City Stables. They are the worst of the worst kind of horse trader, horrible hack line. People have been trying to them shut down for years. No luck. The free horse thing is a scam. It is a lease on a horse, and not just one horse, but any horse they feel like giving you when you come out.
Cindy has been featured here before.
Hey Mulerider,
Next time you are in Tampa, let me know. You can come meet my longears.
FHOTD-
I mentioned this on the board, but one of the new FHOTD shirts (waiting on some graphic submissions) is going to say:
RESCUER WITH A JOB
Your wallet is safe around me!
cutnjump-
How about a horse munching on some green- as in cash...
Oooh. I could draw that design for the t-shirt!
I thought we we all innocent UNTIL proven guilty? I though this was America?
Here's how it works:
KCAC and Serenity Rescue present information to the PA. The PA looks at it and says yes or no.
At arraignment there is a plea, guilty, not guilty. THEN the other side gets to present their information. Yes there is another side. At that time the PA may decide to drop all charges or proceed.
If they did it, hang them. If not this forum owes an apology.
Signed, a lawyer
Rachel ignorantly said:
Speaking of clueless and being part of the equine overpopulation problem, I thought I'd pass along this Paint breeder's website.
http://www.aspenwestpainthorses.com/broodmares.htm
Fugly, I'd love to see your comments on this one! It's a great example of so many aspects of breeding ignorance.
Karen says to this:
Rachel, Liz has been working to improve the Paint horse breed for over 30 years. She knows what she is doing and she isn't adding to any overpopulation. She has a waiting list of REPEAT buyers for her young stock. If all sellers were as honest as Bruce and Liz there would be less people moaning on this blog.
I bought one of the last foals of Miss Sizzle Chick and am thrilled to death with her. Eva's everything you could want in a riding horse and has the best personality. I bought her as a breeding stock and didn't think twice. Through Liz's hard work Eva now has had her AQHA papers for a couple years.
Liz has served on many a committee in APHA and is a lifetime member. Many of the improvements geared twards members are due to liz sticking up for us all. She doesn't produce many foals per year and most of the mares she has have a waiting list of people who want their foals.
where animal control is asleep at the switch like rural Idaho
Hey it doesn't get much more rural than here lol don't send any asshats here we pay attention
horspoor where do you live? midwest with another quake?
Sorry Liz, too many horses suffered and died under their care, too many kind hearted individuals were scammed out of money or had their hearts broken by these two. Presumed innocent, maybe under the law, sorry, but they deserve to have a few unpleasant things occur in their lives for a change. If you are lurking here Dean, pay back is a bitch!
You know Liz, you may be a lawyer, but we aren't morons, Some of us are familiar with the court system, I think you are patronizing and I really resent that. My sympathy is for the victims, not some criminal who photoshopped her ass.
I'm posting here since I'm thinking better chances of getting it noticed! On the forum we'd really like a tack for sale auction. I've sold something and bought something from someone on the forum, and there are quite a few people who have mentioned in the last few months wanting a tack for sale section. So we would love it if you would add one! :)
Oh, Karen, sorry, I HATE to single someone out, but it's your lucky day :>/
From the aspenwest site...
"She unfortunately had a lethal white in 2007 so we left her open. For 2008 we plan to breed her to Inconclusive Dream, a superior halter bay *overo* stallion standing at www.kickinkfarms.com in Texas. We've had one of his fillies, Embellished who is kickin butt in the show on the east coast. "
NO no NO no No no No!!!!!!!!! WHY DO SO-CALLED PROS DO THIS????SHE IS A LETHAL WHITE CARRIER>>>WHY AN OVERO, AND HAS HE BEEN TESTED?? (sorry to scream, but it felt guuuud)
Rachel is not ignorant, just observant, unfortunately your breeder may be the ignorant one, however, if she feels breeding lethal white foals is not an issue, especially when she KNOWS her horses are carriers and can avoid this. Sure, she is honest by saying the mare carries lethal white (not saying it exactly, but gee where did 1/2 the double defect come from, hmmm?), but shoot, it's OK! cause we won't repeat THAT breeding!. Still really really off track. I am glad you have a great filly, because from what I saw on the site that could be rare...FUGLY needs to address this one. It's an "old girls club".
She is NOT improving the breed, she is perpetuating a problem. But never mind, the AQHA needs just as many lethal white carriers now that the registry dropped the white rule. Gah.
And to all bloggers meant in the nicest way- lay off the fat people. Not all abuse horses ;) Personally I don't think she photoshopped, I think the camera lens was dirty - there are other spots too- either way, I now think it was not a RECENT picture. Funny how many of us saw the starbucks cup and thought exactly the same thing...it's creepy.
Feels good to donate.
Hey, how about we send her to the guy that ties things to a wall and lets them starve to death "in the name of art"!!!!!!!!
OT, but in the current issue of Young Rider magazine the APHA is raffling off/giving away a Paint filly. Can we all imagine how badly that is going to go?
FHOTD,
Thanks for posting this! It is so good to know that at least a few of the animal abusers do get brought to justice.
Tracy Meisenbach
www.trinityapp.com
http://thehorsediary.blogspot.com/ (updated 4-20-2008)
"Liz has been working to improve the Paint horse breed for over 30 years."
Wow, with such vast experience, you'd think this gal would have the good sense not to have produced a lethal white as recently as 2007 - see allfugly's observations above.
Karen, I know you must love your mare, but there really isn't a good market for solid Paint breds. Don't believe me? Your friend has two for sale for $500 each right now. The world does not need more solid Paints, but your friend produces a LOT of them.
For example, here's what just TWO of your friend's studs have produced, almost FIFTY horses with no show record:
"I Art to Have Color," SOLID bay Paint stud with no show record: produced 13 foals, 12 of which were solid and none of which have any show record.
"Bodyguard" - SOLID chestnut Paint stud with no APHA points, produced 36 foals, none of whom have a show record.
YAY! YAY! that's all I'm thinking at this moment in time.
Patricia and Serenity Equine Rescue are genuine. Please do visit their website and help out if you can. If you are in the market for a project horse, there are a few there looking for new opportunities. Serenity is also planning a fundraiser tack sale. If you have any tack to donate please feel free.
To Liz - Innocent until proven guilty - are you kidding me? Why don't you ask the horses she has killed and tortured if she is innocent or guilty? Maybe try not preaching your "opinion" here unless you have seen the facts first hand.
Or better yet, stop by Serenity Equine Rescue one day and see the horses they rescued after Dean abandoned them at PEC. Dean took the horses she thought were worthwhile and hid them, while leaving the others that she must have deemed unworthy of quality of life. They were starved, lice infested, neglected in everyway. These are horses Dean got at the auction and from CBER. Why would someone get these horses if they were not worthy of good treatment?
One blogger asked what repercussions Dean is facing. That is the question I have been waiting to have answered. There was a recent animal cruelty case where the convict received jail time and can never own animals again. (We can only hope) There is no property to take…her former property is under her husband’s name, and it is in foreclosure. Rumor has it that Dean was telling people a few months back that she bought a house in Renton. Who would give a loan to someone with her credit?
Dean has an arraignment next Tuesday at the RJC in Kent at 9:00. I’d be willing to bet she doesn’t even show up. That seems to be a trend with her. Maybe we add new term to Dean’s vocabulary – Bench Warrant.
Good picture of Dean, but the last time I saw her she looks 15 - 20 years old than in the picture. I think her devious activities have taken a toll on her health.
And Fugly – Thank you so much! You rock!
FHOTD wrote:
>WHENEVER a group adopts that "protect the group" mentality, it loses credibility. Look at politicians who won't speak out when one of "their own" is clearly in the wrong.
Yes. This is precisely why show judging standards in the stock breeds will not change for the better.
Tracy Meisenbach
www.trinityapp.com
http://thehorsediary.blogspot.com/ (updated 4-20-2008)
Horspoor said:
"So, what can they do to you over 4 counts of second degree animal cruelty? Can they take her land? Does she get jail time? What are the potential fines? Is it considered criminal, or civil? If it's criminal and she skates, can she then be prosecuted in civil court? (you know, like OJ?)
2nd degree animal cruelty in Washington is punishable by a fine of not exceeding one hundred and fifty dollars, or by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding sixty days, or both such fine and imprisonment, and shall pay the costs of the prosecution.
It probably wouldn't get converted to a civil case, which gives someone money for the wrongs done to them. Courts are reluctant to give horses money. Darn.
She can also be prohibited from owning animals; the sentences can run consecutively; have to pay another $1000 into the court for an animal abuse prevention program, and pay for the cost of feeding/caring for whatever animals got grabbed.
That being said, it's unlikely she'll get the max.
On another note: people have said she should have to clean stalls and such as part of a punishment. I don't agree. I don't want this woman anywhere near a horse, or another animal, ever again. IMHO she could be very useful cleaning up trash in gullies or building roads somewhere.
Sorry for the long post.
What's up with all these crazy ads posted on equinehits about horses going to slaughter ASAP unless you save them now. They have CBER on their photos.
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sale/horse-203097
p.s. I love this blog - I've learned a lot from it in the short time I have been reading it.
Okay, I just donated $50 to serenity.
Who feels frisky enough to match?????????
OMG no wonder the photoshop didnt work right > David Copperfield couldn't make that ass disappear.
Did she ride ???
SouthernBelle said...
What's up with all these crazy ads posted on equinehits about horses going to slaughter ASAP unless you save them now. They have CBER on their photos.
Yipes. $cam at it again?
I think that poor TB filly (Seattle Slew / Icecapade great grand-daughter - I can count to four, but apparently $am can't) is adorable.
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sale/horse-202132
So sad and angering. I wish someone could save her. You know, a real rescue that would pull her out of there instead of threatening to let her ship to slaughter in a day unless $700 is paypal'd RIGHT NOW.
It's amazing how the meat man knows to double the price on well-bred, supposedly sound and useful horses. /sarcasm.
Did CBER recently close their website and open up another "rescue" known as SOS Equines at www.sosequines.com? The reason I ask is because Kristen at this rescue has been posting horses for sale or rescue all over the internet and using CBER photos.
OK. I can add, really!
4 counts of animal cruelty, assuming Dean gets the maximum:
60 days each count = 240 days in jail.
$150 fine for each count = $600
Plus the $1000 fee = $1600
Cost of feeding/vet care rehab for all the animals, and court costs = ?
It's simply not enough.
Oops, I meant: Hey Windsor!
Where did you get that picture of Randy in your avatar? I was with that horse when he passed away in 2003.
lurker here, but had to comment. i am SO glad to hear this! i'll keep my eye out for her though i'm sure she won't end up in snohomish county but who knows. what happened to all the birds she hoarded too?
YeeeHAW. I have heard people say that they have waited over a dozen YEARS for her to get pinned down for what she does.
I hope that everyone reading this emails the prosecuting attorney at King County at attorney.prosecuting@kingcounty.gov to express your support for prosecuting her to the fullest extent of the law.
As for her constant claims nothing is happening, feel free to call Phone: 206-296-9000
with the case number. Not sure where/when the specifics will be on the King County website but it will happen. This is PUBLIC RECORD- our tax dollars finally at work!
And don't forget to come to the RJC in Kent on April 29th at 9 am and show them that there are plenty of animal lovers who want to see people like this- hoarders and users and abusers charged.
Thanks to fugly horse of the day for the brutally honest manner in which you bring people like this to light- this is one of the first places that showed the truth about her in writing. Everyone knows her fake website doesn't- she kicks people off of there who aren't in her fan club.
There is NO excuse for NEGLECT. Neglect is abuse.
>>Did CBER recently close their website and open up another "rescue" known as SOS Equines at www.sosequines.com? <<
That belongs to Shawna, who was involved with CBER - I don't know if she was ever officially a board member or just a volunteer.
BuckdOff said...
You know Liz, you may be a lawyer, but we aren't morons, Some of us are familiar with the court system, I think you are patronizing and I really resent that. My sympathy is for the victims, not some criminal who photoshopped her ass.
Well said!!!
Well, it's nice they finally nailed her gigantic a$$.
I hope she doesn't come out to Idaho.
What a total parasite.
I hope she goes to Purdy for a while. Well, it would be nice, one can dream.
Dirty bitch.
cutthecrap
I was frisky enough.
$50 US just sent. $54.49 Australian Dollars
Anyone else ?
Fugly. Your blog reaches a long way.
Cheers form down under
Has anyone here noticed that CBER is suddenly posting all over the Spokane craigslist farm & garden section? I've noticed a TON of CBER horses are suddenly showing up there. It's a dead giveaway when they have their mark on every picture that goes up
Oh, Karen, sorry, I HATE to single someone out, but it's your lucky day :>/
From the aspenwest site...
"She unfortunately had a lethal white in 2007 so we left her open. For 2008 we plan to breed her to Inconclusive Dream, a superior halter bay *overo* stallion standing at www.kickinkfarms.com in Texas. We've had one of his fillies, Embellished who is kickin butt in the show on the east coast. "
NO no NO no No no No!!!!!!!!! WHY DO SO-CALLED PROS DO THIS????SHE IS A LETHAL WHITE CARRIER>>>WHY AN OVERO, AND HAS HE BEEN TESTED?? (sorry to scream, but it felt guuuud)
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Hmmmmmm have you emailed Jennifer to ask about Jordan's lethal white status? No? Then you need to realize not all overos are positive.
Rachel is not ignorant, just observant, unfortunately your breeder may be the ignorant one, however, if she feels breeding lethal white foals is not an issue, especially when she KNOWS her horses are carriers and can avoid this.
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No I think Rachel has an agenda seeing how Liz has had some unexpected dealings in her neck of the woods. There are always ulterior motives when people go after someone on your blog who have no business being here. You can post what you want it's your pulpit. You're just jumping on the slice and dice bandwagon.
Sure, she is honest by saying the mare carries lethal white (not saying it exactly, but gee where did 1/2 the double defect come from, hmmm?), but shoot, it's OK! cause we won't repeat THAT breeding!.
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Being LWO positive isn't a defect. What makes you say that? It isn't something that harms the horse or affects it's health or usability so it isn't a defect. To say you shouldn't breed a frame overo because it carries a defect is totally unreasonable.
Still really really off track. I am glad you have a great filly, because from what I saw on the site that could be rare...FUGLY needs to address this one. It's an "old girls club".
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She's not a filly she's a mare and goes to show that you really are blind about what you want to be blind about. Old girls club is right. The old mares are mostly pasture pets and have earned the right st stay and be taken care of til they go. How many times do you people come on here and piss and moan the fact that people dump their old horses at sales or on the side of the road? Here Liz is proud of her old girls and isn't taking them off her site even though people like you might not be able to look past their age sags and droops. Way to go for you! Which is it? Good and admirable to hang on to your geriatrics, or something to poke fun at?
She is NOT improving the breed, she is perpetuating a problem. But never mind, the AQHA needs just as many lethal white carriers now that the registry dropped the white rule. Gah.
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Here is a hews flash, many AQHA horses ARE lethal white carriers. People like you never realize that and are shocked if they do have one and start pointing fingers. It has always been a part of any breed that has frame in it. Even solid AQHA horses can be carriers.
Wow, with such vast experience, you'd think this gal would have the good sense not to have produced a lethal white as recently as 2007 - see allfugly's observations above.
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Rachel I have to ask, why are you bringing this up here and now? What's your ulterior motive? Why don't you buy Beverly then you can have a say in who she's bred to and go from there.
Karen, I know you must love your mare, but there really isn't a good market for solid Paint breds. Don't believe me? Your friend has two for sale for $500 each right now.
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Actually those foals have been gone for a long time now to hunter over fences homes. In case you missed the UPDATED DATES on the pages, Liz's site hasn't been updated in over a year. She's had other things to deal with health wise. So what you're complaining about it a pretty much non issue.
The world does not need more solid Paints, but your friend produces a LOT of them.
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Actually no she doesn't. It was Artie's first foal crop and about 3 on that site AREN'T EVEN PAINTS they are AQHA foals. One was by Raddical Rodder and a couple by HBF Iron Man.
For example, here's what just TWO of your friend's studs have produced, almost FIFTY horses with no show record:
"I Art to Have Color," SOLID bay Paint stud with no show record: produced 13 foals, 12 of which were solid and none of which have any show record.
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Seeing how Artie's first foal crop was last year and they are ALL going over fences and riders not halter horses, why does this surprise you? You don't start long yearlings that are growing by leaps and bounds. That just gets you on here for something else.
Artie was also sold at the beginning of last year so this 2008 foal crop isn't even Aspen West's. As for his show record, APHA no but check out the class A circuit up there in WA state.
"Bodyguard" - SOLID chestnut Paint stud with no APHA points, produced 36 foals, none of whom have a show record.
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Chuckie was sold 4 years ago and does have a show record and is doing wonderfully in PAC. He's not showing APHA he's showing open and apparently ranch work. He's also got foals that are showing hunter and dressage so that wouldn't be on APHA plus as info. Again you are posting about something you know nothing about and bringing up things that are really non issues.
The only thing Liz is guilty of is not updating her website. What a crime!
Not picking on 'heavy' people, honest I'm not, but do you know how many calories is in Pumpkin Spice Frappuccino® Blended Crème - 470! A few of those, without cleaning some stalls, grooming and throwing some bales, will get stored on the body. Black for me, please. And probably not Starbucks. I'd take a thermos.
BTW even though I have posted here a few times, I realise I haven't introduced myself. I don't own a horse at the moment as I live in the heart of London, England. But I worked and showed - mostly locally - in the Illinois area in my early years (70s/80s in Canada). I hope to own again someday but knowing the immense responsibility (and the traffic getting in and out of the city) I am fully aware of what I can and cannot do properly. I ride whenever I can and this blog keeps me up-to-date and informed in a way nothing else could. So forgive me if I chime in from time to time. It is here that I learned where my next horse will come from - a rescue for sure.
HMMM CBER website goes down the same time as this story breaks....
I'd think that the paper shredders were working over time but that would be on the assumption records were ever properly kept.
dresagetrainer said
HMMM CBER website goes down the same time as this story breaks....
I'd think that the paper shredders were working over time but that would be on the assumption records were ever properly kept.
I wonder if FOB is going to finally wake up and smell the coffee?
Is Alex Brown going to finally pull the board down because he has been an ostriche about CBER?
Oh the stomach turns.
Hope you Fools of cBer will FINALLY realize that running around like headless chickens and the emotional IQs of 12 year olds won't stop scammers like $am and Dean!!
Wake the fuck up FOB et al!!!
You have been scammed.
You should have kicked that bitch to the curk ages ago.
Alex Brown should be ashamed of himself. A disgusting sight seeing him protect $am and Dean.
LOVE to see that board vanish and some serious effort to step away from your damn keyboards and stop yammering and work on getting a REAL network and organizational force behind all that hormonal energy.
Well, again, one can dream.
CBER shutting its doors...hmmm. Sounds like Dean is going to squeal like a pig...er...sow.
curk=curb
Geez, he ass IS huge!
Why do all these women hoarders all look the same? Broken down women who don't look after themselves? Overweight, long hair gray hair, t-shirt and dirty jeans? There are two that live right in my neighborhood. Same deal, only they are not nearly as bad as this women.
Good work to everyone who helped out and stopped this train wreck of a woman from ruining more horses lives!! Keep up the good work!!!
Not to mention their boobs hang down to their waists too! *snort*
fuglyhorseoftheday said:
The good rescuers MUST speak out against the bad ones or we will ALL be tarred with the same brush. It's so important for the public to know that when they donate, it's not going to some hoarder hell-hole where horses are suffering and dying.
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Yeah, do you REALLY want to be buying Dean's Starbucks for her? Apparently, that's where the money went.
Oops, I meant: Hey Windsor!
Where did you get that picture of Randy in your avatar? I was with that horse when he passed away in 2003.
Libby, I will never forget Randy, what a wonderful old man he was, his companion Cricket passed late last year, one week shy of her 44th Birthday.
tbsplease - where in illinois are you from? in the 60's and 70's i rode in southwest suburbs of chicago, palos hills area. always fun to see if i know a 'blast from the past.'
kudos to all who helped with getting that miserable excuse for a human. there is a special place in hell for people who abuse animals and children.
cutnjump - for some reason i can't seem to get paypal to work for me anymore, so i will mail a check to help the rescuer. can't afford $50 (god bless you!), but will send what i can.
re:aspenhills paints
Way to go Karen!!!!
Maybe the opinionated bloggers should do some more research on Liz Hickling , maybe they should speak to the many many people whom she mentored, maybe they should talk to the many they help learn their way to world shows,(yes learn). Claudia's story is one of a large group who Liz has saved.
MAYBE Liz could go Trophy to Trophy, or Volunteer Hour to Volunteer Hour with those who know everything.
What about all of those horses Liz and her husband have aquired in the past, just because they were transporting, driving by, noticing at a breeding farm, etc. that they just felt bad for??
These are good people who deserve better treatment than that.
Again way to go Karen!!!!
Windsor,
Yes, Randy was a grand old horse. I had heard about Cricket passing and Sarah also.
For those that don't know, Randy was a 37 year old TB who lived at a rescue. He always made visitors smile with his personality. The night he passed away, he first went to every paddock and every stall, stuck his head in and gave a small nicker. He then went to his stall, laid down and left this world. I'll never forget him.
Forgive me for going off topic here.
Glad to hear they're doing something about this scam artist and animal abuser finally. I'm sure she'll set up shop somewhere else though. What a loser.
tbsplease, Welcome to our snarky group,I liked your comments regarding sale ads on a prior post, I would say you shut him down.. You will fit right in here!!
Karen - You beat me to it. I sure wish folks would learn a thing or two about OLWS before spewing their internet diarrhea.
To completely prevent Lethal Whites from happening, we would have to test EVERY Paint, Miniature, Half-Arab, TB, and QH. (check out www.bringinglightto hypp.org/OLWS)
Please do some reading before flaming a paint breeder for having a Leathal White baby. It is necessary to know the facts before flaming.
Equus - "tbsplease - where in illinois are you from? in the 60's and 70's i rode in southwest suburbs of chicago, palos hills area. always fun to see if i know a 'blast from the past."
I lived in, wait for it, Big Rock, Illinois (I won the championship there in 1976 at the Big Rock Plowing Match and still have the big gaudy trophies, one patriotic and the other a red velvet crown, woot! My little 14.2 bay King-bred did all right: didn't hurt that we trained in the ring we showed in as I lived across the tracks, erm, wrong side?) and showed a few times nationally with a local Morgan farm (the one with the hair dyed horse, poor thing). I had to rent a trailer (!) so I never was able to travel far. But I know where Palos is. You're classy! Wow.
Yes, exactly. Test EVERY breeding animal for genetic defects...that's a problem somehow?? Not in my neck of the woods.
My intention is not and never was to slam Liz as a human being in any way, but that goes with the territory of critiquing the propagation of this problem. Her health/horse-caused issues are not dissimilar to many many people out there. I just can't condone lethal whites (or HERDA or HYPP or SCID, or clubfoot, or parrot mouth, unsoundness, eyes, etc) even being created these days in this OR ANY OTHER breed. Quit shoving things under rugs. It doesn't make it right to put those horses in the gene pool. We manage captive horses...do you think this or any other defective gene survives natural selection for long?
Oh, and this same type of defect occurs in mice, humans, pigs, etc. It's lethal there too!
buckdoff - it is an honour to be welcomed by you. You always make me laugh. I have to practice laptop safety with your comments lest I snort green tea (off the coffee for the time being) all over ye olde keyboard. Am going through horrid divorce (TMF?) so this blog - with its choice commentators - reminds me that life goes on. And no, I probably won't use the money from the sale of the flat (why don't we wait for a recession, eh, to sell?) to rescue an OTTB but I sure as heck am going to live a bit. Give my love to something that loves back. Bitter rant OVER! I used "asshat" in an email the other day and then had to explain it... sigh.
Thanks for the welcome wagon!
please check out Crossed Sabers - Second Wind Adoption (www.crossedsabers.com)
they are finally going to a grand jury with one of their cases against a lady that has a long record of bad horse dealings.
maybe the tide is turning in favor of the animals...
Amazing...her ass really WAS minimized a lot via Photoshopping.
OK and now on to the important part....a victory celebration! Kudos to anyone and everyone who helped bring this woman to justice. I'm glad it wasn't too late for some of the horses in her "care" to be saved.
Blogger allfuglies said...
Yes, exactly. Test EVERY breeding animal for genetic defects...that's a problem somehow?? Not in my neck of the woods... It doesn't make it right to put those horses in the gene pool. We manage captive horses...do you think this or any other defective gene survives natural selection for long?
Not that I disagree with breeding two lethal white carriers, but a defective recessive gene WILL survive in a wild population. In fact plenty of recessive disease conditions tend to be adaptive in the heterozygous form.
There are better arguments against people who don't test - like, for example, the cost of testing versus the cost of having a mare carry a OLWS foal to term.
TBsplease said...
Equus - "tbsplease - where in illinois are you from? in the 60's and 70's i rode in southwest suburbs of chicago, palos hills area. always fun to see if i know a 'blast from the past."
I lived in, wait for it, Big Rock, Illinois (I won the championship there in 1976 at the Big Rock Plowing Match and still have the big gaudy trophies, one patriotic and the other a red velvet crown, woot! My little 14.2 bay King-bred did all right: didn't hurt that we trained in the ring we showed in as I lived across the tracks, erm, wrong side?) and showed a few times nationally with a local Morgan farm (the one with the hair dyed horse, poor thing). I had to rent a trailer (!) so I never was able to travel far. But I know where Palos is. You're classy! Wow.
Hey I know Big Rock, when we used to go visit my sister in who lived in Chicago Big Rock was considered about the halfway point between Sterling and the Windy City. Didn't there used to be a restaurant right there on Rt. 30. I remember stopping for a break in about that area. Now of course everyone runs into Chi on the tollway. LOL
By the way, welcome aboard.
Liz said...
I thought we we all innocent UNTIL proven guilty? I though this was America?
Here's how it works:
KCAC and Serenity Rescue present information to the PA. The PA looks at it and says yes or no.
At arraignment there is a plea, guilty, not guilty. THEN the other side gets to present their information. Yes there is another side. At that time the PA may decide to drop all charges or proceed.
If they did it, hang them. If not this forum owes an apology.
Signed, a lawyer
Bitch, please. Signed Another Lawyer
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
That photo of Dean was taken at $am's house during the last CBER party!
And one of the BOD for Serenity is Kim Clark who is BFF with $am and used to be on CBER's BOD!
These "rescues" are all kissing cousins.
Please PLEASE everyone who knows first hand about this DO NOT GIVE UP.
Having worked hand in hand with the sheriff on charges against someone for animal cruelty it is far to often that they get no supervised probation and a light slap on the wrist by the District Attorney - because they are WOMEN!
Please King County residents and observers, take time out of your day to speak to the sheriff/prosecuting attorney and provide WRITTEN proof.
I can't tell you how frustrating it is to watch someone kill animals because they are hoarders, get caught, get probation then kill again and again.
My 17 pages of proof was not enough - so please band together to stop her from doing this again.
Kay - Was it a restaurant or a drive-in? Hinckley (4 miles away from Big Rock) has its own drive-in ice cream place called Dairy Joy... nice burgers, dogs and turtle sundaes... still owned by the same family who started it - and that's on Route 30. Tollway, schmollway.
For years, I was the only English rider around that area until I discovered Eldamain Farm in Yorkville, Illinois. It was, when in the 70s/80s, a place where horses were treated right. The smell of creosote still takes me back... Miss the place.
Karen said:
"Rachel I have to ask, why are you bringing this up here and now? What's your ulterior motive?"
My motive is very simple. I am a Paint exhibitor and therefore have an interest in the future of the breed. As an equine attorney, I also deal with some of the symptoms of the unwanted horse problem, such as halter breeders selling N/H horses as riding horses to uninformed backyard horsemen. I came across this website
http://www.aspenwestpainthorses.com/broodmares.htm
and thought it was an excellent example of someone who is breeding lots of poor to mediocre quality Paint horses. In particular, I think the site is an excellent example of the classic mistake of keeping horses as breeding stock when they have no attributes other than a well-known sire. Using two solid studs as the foundation of a *Paint* breeding program is sheer idiocy, as evidenced by the huge number of solids this breeder has produced.
Karen asked,
"Why don't you buy Beverly then you can have a say in who she's bred to and go from there."
(I'm going to assume that "Beverly" is the gray overo halter mare whom the breeder says produced a lethal white foal last year.)
Um, Karen, bless your heart, but you are clueless, dear. Why *would* I buy a halter horse, much less BREED her. (I ride performance horses.) Your comment is an excellent example of one of the problems I'm trying to highlight - not every equine uterus needs to have a job!
Well, she obviously feeds herself...LOL...
Um...... Auburn doesn't have any AC.
are these some of the horses that asshat had squirreled away when she knew the authorities were on to her? and the freakin' arrogance to bring them back to her repo'd property like nothing was happening. my god, this makes my head hurt.
i really believe that these types of people are mentally ill, but in such a subtle way that they can function semi-normally in society and thus, keep on with their evilness. and hurting horses is indeed evil. hope they throw the fucking book at her.
Why is this woman drinking starbucks?? feed your effing horses!!!!
ever heard the word ompa lompa? The thought crosses my mind
I came across this website
Rachel McCart Equine Legal Solutions said: "http://www.aspenwestpainthorses.com/broodmares.htm
and thought it was an excellent example of someone who is breeding lots of poor to mediocre quality Paint horses. In particular, I think the site is an excellent example of the classic mistake of keeping horses as breeding stock when they have no attributes other than a well-known sire. "
I checked her broodmare page, and she has 9 mares listed, 1 is a multiple WC and reserve WC producer, 1 has open and amateur superior halter awards, 1 is a superior WP horse, 1 produced a reserve congress champion, 1 was shown in 3'6" hunters, and 2 TB's who seem to be pensioners of sorts and a palomino mare and a breeding stock mare that have no produce record or show record. I would NOT call this an "an excellent example of someone who is breeding lots of poor to mediocre quality Paint horses."
Horses with those kinds of show records and produce records are not poor to mediocre quality. Yes she DOES breed OLWSxOLWS and has had lethals, not good. Yes she has n/h horses and breeds them, not good. BUT you cannot say they are poor producers or unproven mares. There are far better examples of people breeding mediocre horses.
I cannot say anything abouth er stallions, as I do not agree that solids should be kept as stallions but I STILL do not agree with you at all regarding the quality of her horses. There are FAR worse out there. FAR FAR worse.
She has been charged with 4 misdemeanor offenses. The chance of jail time is remote. The good news (sort of) is that these lower level charges (as measured by potential penalty) include a potential exclusion from owning or caring for animals for up to 2 years.
It's possible that she may still be charged with felonies, they don't have to be filed at the same time. There is a slightly better possibility of jail but history shows that the perps usually just plead guilty in some plea bargan.
In both cases the value of a conviction is not the direct penalty (fines or jail) but the impact on their lives. FI no pets for 2 years if a misdemeanor, no voting, hand guns, job opportunities or travel out of the country if a felony.
Any jail would be short, any restitution would be close to real costs.
Washington state does not have harsh animal cruelty laws. Call your representative directly and demand change. Note that the very first felony conviction for horse cruelty was just last year in the Anita Miller case from Nov 2005. She pled guilty.
Interesting reading from rip-off reports...
http://tinyurl.com/56r8b7
Well, the interesting situation that's going on here is we have people befriending Dean in the hope that she has enough dirt to take $am down, and befriending $am in the hope that she has enough dirt to take Dean down!
I feel like the lone voice screaming "THEY BOTH SUCK!"
Buckdoff, yeah we did have a quake. It was only a 3.7 though. If felt harder. Usually they just kind of roll, like the deck of a ship, and this slammed, like something ran into the building. Odd.
small town,
I'm in Northern CA. About 100 miles from the Oregon border on the coast.
Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said, "I would NOT call this an "an excellent example of someone who is breeding lots of poor to mediocre quality Paint horses."
Horses with those kinds of show records and produce records are not poor to mediocre quality."
I agree with you regarding this breeder and her horses. Solid Paints have nothing to do with the quality of a horse. I'd much rather have a top quality solid Paint than a poor quality colored one, any day of the week.
After all the bitching people do here regarding those who breed for color only - now they're criticizing someone for NOT making color a priority over quality? Something is really wrong with this picture and it sounds more like a personal vendetta to me.
Those of you who don't completely understand OLWS should probably look into it a bit further before lumping it in with genetic disorders like HYPP, HERDA, etc. and spouting off about it.
OLWS is not bad in heterozygous form. Without it we'd have no frame overos which is a desirable color. It is SIMPLE to avoid breeding a lethal foal, test the stallion and the mare. Breed the mare to a non frame stallion. DOH! I think the test is like $25? Maybe it's up to $50.
This breeder's horses aren't bad (except that NH part), they look like good RIDING horses. A lot of solids, yes but that is because they are breeding a lot of near solid mares to solid stallions (and vice versa). Breed like to like and usually you get like. Yes you can get extra color but as you can see from the production I'd not be betting the farm on it. As you can see the prices on the solids generally reflect the market for breeding stock paints. i.e. non existent. On the other hand if you are just looking for a riding horse that might be a good way to go. A nice youngster for cheap.
Course there is the added bonus for breeders that the judges hate lots of color. Again, go figure. Why don't they just stick to QHs???
As an aside just because a horse isn't listed as having points in a registry does NOT mean the horse isn't out being used or shown somewhere. If you don't have a lot of money or you live in a more remote area or you don't like the way the breed associations are screwing up the breed then you might be out showing every weekend in hunter/jumper shows, open shows, 4-H shows, etc. etc. Or maybe the horse is a valued working cow horse on a busy ranch. Or maybe he's a well loved trail horse.
I do think the breeding stock should have SOMETHING to their credit in whatever venue though. It just may not be the "official" venue.
This is the response to the post on ABR about Fugly's blog on the faux rescuer
(not me)
I wouldnt touch these people with somebody else's ten foot pole unless there was a taser on it.
I will be happy to respond the best I can. Our lawyers have a statement issued so I can't say everything.
The horses in question were given to Serenity rescue as they were very old lame and had health issues. I moved my horses out to dry pasture and did not feel it was in their best interest to put them with other horses for fear of injury.
I was assured from Serenity that they had plenty of room and were able to care for them. I offered them hay or whatever the horses needed.
This is a statement from Kim at Serenity: (My response in red)
Serenity rescue and rehab has the horses from the case. The four counts include one that Sam has, ( This is an auction mare that came in with a torn rectum and also vaginal area. She had foaled right before we got her. She was treated by Dr. Emig. We did not foal her at our facility ) Sam only ended up with her due to the fact she picked up the wrong horse.
One that had to be put down at PEC during the surrender, ( Actually we choose to put down two horses. One was suffering from extreme stringhalt. This was CBER horse Selly. CBER never helped the adopter or went and got him. The other horse was an auction mare that was in horrible shape. She had very crooked front legs and weighed nothing. The former owners that took her to the auction had a sign posted on her stall that she was great to train young stallions on because she was crippled and couldn't get away from them. She basically spent her life being raped. She was immediately vetted and had her feet done. We decided to let her live in the barn and euthanize her if she was in pain. We decided to do that after she could no longer lift her feet for trimming. What Serenity fails to tell is this mare WAS FROM PATRICIA'S ( Head of Serenity Rescue) STALLION!
one that serenity could not save despite major efforts ( She was also an auction horse with a severe old fracture on the right rear. She was approximately mid 20s. She too was in horrible shape on arrival. She was a cribber and had actuallly picked up weight.
and one other. serenity also has others that were surrendered to them from PEC summer 2007. ( NO horses in the summer of 2007 were surrendered to Serenity. I have an adoption contract in place for them adopting them to Patricia prior to her opening her rescue.
Yes, I have been charged with 4 counts misdemeanor. I will not plea bargain and will go to jury. Sam from CBER was instrumental sending a letter to KCAC with very fictional accusations. Yes, Sam is knee deep with Serenity now and going after me when I told what I knew about her rescue dealings.
These people have NOT taken into account what these horses looked like when I got them.
All I can say is that we have done nothing wrong. Those of you that know me, know I could do nothing to hurt any animal. All of the horses have always been under Vet care.
Pacific Equestrian Center
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Everyone feels bad for the horses (as do I.. that woman needs whats coming to her)... but...
I also feel sorry for that chair that has to hold her fat ass up!!
$cammer vs. Hoarder...
I agree, they BOTH suck and BOTH should get their just deserts. I do not know for sure but I HEARD the many birds did not fare well at all. I hope it's an exaggeration but having heard it from multiple people I fear it isn't.
ok can someone please clarify something I keep seeing about Serenity being affiliated with Sam and CBER. I am not trying to start anything just want to clarify that if I donate to Serenity to help care for those horses that it WILL go to their care.
thanks...d.
Kim, current Serenity BOD, used to be BOD for CBER and is still BFF with $am
$am is listed on Serenity as a donor
$am vouches for Serenity
And most importantly:
Serenity has sent two horses to $am
please check out Crossed Sabers - Second Wind Adoption (www.crossedsabers.com)
they are finally going to a grand jury with one of their cases against a lady that has a long record of bad horse dealings.
maybe the tide is turning in favor of the animals...
Oh yeah, cause Crossed Sabers is just such an upstanding example of great practices...
While the person they're up against may be a horrible person, the facts remain that SWAP apparently doesn't *actually* check their adopters all that hard, repeatedly gets in these situations, misrepresents horses, lies about their tax status, and basically acts as a horse dealer, except with a better contract.
I mean, if someone "adopts" a horse and it doesn't work out, if you can get SWAP to take it back without claiming it's all your fault and blacklisting you, YOU get to pay for the privilege of returning said animal and paying for it, until someone else adopts it.
Yep, I'm sure she'll be a great animal advocate in court...
Har! No wonder she photoshopped her ass--damn!
So, what is true, and what isn't? Are they all just snakes?
Hoarder, needs help. Counseling, and never allowed to be in the position to hoard again. No animals. Horses (animals) are a privledge not a right, if you can't be responsible you lose that privledge.
Scammer? Needs hmmm....let me think on that for awhile. Almost feel like someone needs to scam $am. For everything (so she's left without a pot to piss in). Poetic justice.
Can people that donated to rescue, and money wasn't used for the animals, sue in civil court?
I choose not to have any dealings with $am, however, I know of reputable rescuers who have and do deal with her in order to get horses into better situations. So I can't say across the board that just because a rescue is civil to $am, that they are bad news. As I've posted here before, I have a very good friend with King County Animal Control, and I know they are happy with the rehab job that Serenity is doing on these horses. I would hear immediately if something was not right. I do not have any qualms about donations going to Serenity based upon the information I have, and firsthand accounts from people who have visited the facility and were impressed.
>>Can people that donated to rescue, and money wasn't used for the animals, sue in civil court?<<
You bet they can. They can sue for fraud. The problem is, suing is expensive. It's why so many people get away with so much shit.
I can believe good people would deal with $am to get horses away from her. What excuse does Serenity have for sending two horses TO her?
ok thanks for the comments. I live in Florida so am following this via internet but wanted to help Serenity out some way via a donation... much appreciate you keeping us updated Fugly (:
For the many, many folks out there so disillusioned by all the Scams & Deans of the world-
IF you are going to donate money to a rescue:
*GO VISIT THE RESCUE!
*Thoroughly check out the rescue you are considering.
*LOOK at the animals in their care!
*Dig into the other 'sister rescues' they are partnered up with.
*Leave the rose colored glasses at home when you go.
*Be skeptical of everything.
*If you don't get a good feeling or 'vibe' trust your gut and instinct.
*If everything looks to be up to par or running as it should be, then feel free to donate what you can.
*If the rescue comes back repeatedly banging on your door for more and more money, don't cave in to the pressure to give.
*A donation is only what you feel comfortable giving without putting yourself or your family in financial jeaprody.
*If it is a one time donation, then it is a one time donation. Don't feel obligated to keep forking out cash like an ATM.
*If you wish to donate directly to a vet clinic or farrier or donate goods- halters, leads, wormers, a bag of feed, fly masks, blankets, sheets, wheelbarrows, etc. most rescues will be more than happy to accept.
*Ask them what they need most and give them what you feel you can afford...
*Make a donation at the local feed store on their behalf or buy them a gift certificate there for feed or supplies.
*A gift certificate at the local hardware store comes in handy when either building or repairing fences, barns and shades/shelters, or can be used to buy new shovels, rakes and wheelbarrows.
*If there is a shift or change and things fall apart, withhold your donations until everything seems back to an even keel.
*If there is a constant flow of promises, which are repeatedly broken... ask about them and why. Again don't settle for a fluff and bull answer.
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If you have done all this you stand a better chance of not being 'taken for a financial ride'.
Remember $cammers are good and well practiced in their craft. They will do whatever they feel they need to, to part you from your money. The more they can make off you the better.
They have no conscience, so don't expect them to feel bad or remorseful for what they have done or for anyone who was hurt by their actions.
I know, we are all adults here and would all like to think we won't be fooled by actions such as these, but it happens all the time, in all areas of the world. In every industry where animals can be used to pull on the heart strings of those wishing to help in good faith.
I am still not understanding this family tree
PEC is Dean right?
PEC now has rescuesonly.org ?
PEC is fundraising for SOS on the rescuesonly.com forum are they all the same people ?
Is CBER being charged?
Who is who here why are they associating with rescues they know are shady ??
Who is Serenity , if they were on the BOD doesn't that mean they were aware of the problems?
i have never once, supported CBER horses being kept at PEC or socialized with dean soloman at any party whatsoever. i left CBER in late 2006 due to CBER horses being sent to PEC and havent been with CBER ever since. whatever CBER has done with their horses since i left i have no knowledge and refuse to be associated with either organization. i support serenity now that is headed up by the most honest person in horse rescue that is getting a crash course in ignoring mudslinging, lies and politics...serenity puts all horses first no matter where they came from or what their story. we have worked close with KCAC and will continue on a path of honesty. Conditions at PEC were horrendous and many people knew it...dont EVER accuse me of being in cahoots with either organization. kim c.
oh and one last thing, serenity gave 2 horses BACK to CBER as they were originally CBER horses. there were CBER supporters that wanted these horses back, not just sam. she picked them up just a few days after they were surrendered and would have picked them up directly from PEC but the timing did not add up. to be honest, we were so out of the political bullshit slinging(and i havent interacted with CBER in since dc 2006), we didnt even know there was such a stigma with CBER, sam and her supporters wanted to right their wrong by putting horses at PEC so they took them back. last we heard, kitkat was being adopted but natashas neglect needs more time to heal. we have other CBER horses and until we know all the facts, the horses will stay with us.
give serenity a break, we have taken in these horses with NO help at all from KCAC or anyone else. except for a few donations, patricia has shelled out her whole bank account which included paying bills to pilchuck for seriously ill PEC horses. so before you so slamming serenity, please put yourself in our shoes, these are not just rescue horses, these are horses with serious health concerns...the mental, physical and financial strain in sometimes insermountable...
thanks for listeing...we are a truly friendly rescue that doesnt like to fight on the internet. i just though that some of the comments about me and serenity were inappropriate...kim
SSDD. Another lying rescue. Natasha was _never_ a CBER horse.
The way I heard it your rescue couldn't tell the difference between the two mares and sent the wrong horse to $am. What a confidence builder!
I'm with cutnjump on this one. If I can't visit or I don't know them, they are just S.O.L. as far as getting donations from me. One of my friends is an A.C. officer and I know if I asked , would probably be able to refer me to a reputable one around me. As far as $am the scam, Dean and the rest of the pack, Sorry!! This whole thing is just too sketchy sounding to me at this point.. Someone like Joe, I won't hesitate, the rest, not so much..
Holy Crap, When you all are done fighting or explaining or whatever the hell you are trying to do here, just let us all know, O.K? You all are not inspiring confidence in your rescue, at all ,right now..I wouldn't give you a cent.
Okay in regards to your mysterious people who went down to Dean's and saw this poor sick baby. Well he's being treated for strangles that he contracted from the previous owners place. Lets just say he came from a well know breeding facility that just threw him away. Also he is the one who spread all the lice to Deans horses. So the lice was not her fault. We were actually there to help her de-lice and worm all of her horses. We were the only ones who actually showed up to help her. Oh ya and your plan to take this poor baby that is actually doing a lot better didn't work. Now your the ones in trouble. ha ha. And for the 8 horses that are on Deans property well guess what they aren't. Those horse belong to the boarding facility right in front of Deans. So for all you people who are taking this miss information and running with do me a huge favor. Check your facts before you run with it. I was actually there when the poor sick baby started showing signes of strangles and help Dean take care of him. Last but not least. Is this all you guys do all day long is sit here and talk mad shit about everyone else. Get a life. Why dont you get off all your fat lazy asses and go spend some time saving horse instead of juding everyone else. We could save a whole lot more horse by doing this. Oh ya and by the way I really dont give a fuck if you all talk about me its actually quite amusing. Because none of you know me and what i stand for.
Our FAT ASSES? are YOU kidding me? Hopefully, your friends will do some time, most of US have actual jobs, that don't involve appropriating other people's money for our own use. You are frigging clueless!!
Thanks very much for clearing that up Kim. Best of luck to you and Patricia in getting the PEC horses healthy and rehabbed. It sounds like you have your hands full.
well I actually have a full time job. I work 40+ hrs a week and I'm also a single mom. I also have horses of my own. I support fully them on my income and I help with the horses every chance I get. I rescue horses also and pay for them myself. So not really I'm not "KIDDING"
TBsplease said...
Kay - Was it a restaurant or a drive-in? Hinckley (4 miles away from Big Rock) has its own drive-in ice cream place called Dairy Joy... nice burgers, dogs and turtle sundaes... still owned by the same family who started it - and that's on Route 30. Tollway, schmollway.
Oh yeah, I remember Hinckley, that was the stop in the way home. LOL The place I'm thinking of though was a big building, not much to look at and was right on four corners. But it may have been before Big Rock. It has been a good many years since I have been through that way and my sister has lived several years in NJ so I have no reason to head to Chicago.
Oh ya did Kim also tell you that she could take in Deans horses and now she can't finacially afford them. Geezz thats why some of them ended up on craigslist. You all really don't look between the crack of things. Just see things from the outside and don't care to investigate. So when things come out in court and they don't have a case against her I will be sitting in my chair on my porch drinking a cold beer and laughing my ass off!!!!!!! At all you dumb asshats!!!!!!
Acarlson, Tell us the truth, you are Dean, correct?
One final point - I don't know the person who owns this website
http://www.aspenwestpainthorses.com/broodmares.htm
(and had not even heard of her until I ran across the site). So, there is certainly no personal vendetta here.
Clearly, I overestimated this audience's education and experience. I won't waste any more time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.
No my name is Amber. You dont really hear from me because I really dont have time for all this b.s. For all of you who know Dean you then probably know me also. I go to the auctions with her and go down and help take care of her horses. So try again!!!!! I dont need the internet to hide!
Just an observation, Amber, or whoever you are, you are sounding like a moron, why not let this Dean person defend herself?
Well thats thats okay. Call me names on the internet. Who gives a fuck. Thats about the worse you can do to me. LOL. And yes Dean can defent herself. All you can do is sit here on the internet and bash her. WOW. Thats impressive. Oh ya and when Dean does come on here and defend herself you take whatever she saids and twists it into your one perspective. Because all of you really dont know the truth. But just wait the truth will come out! So that is how I will leave it. Please continue to talk mad shit about me! please I really need a good laugh. lmao!!!!
Goodie fucking two shoes for you Amber!
When Dean and $cam are rotting in hell, while we all party on and watch from the baclony and roast marshmellows, it sounds like you will be there too. Right beside them. Rotting and burning away.
Check my avitar- I have plenty of matches to keep the fires lit.
As for sitting on our fat, lazy asses, you are showing your ignorance in spades.
Several of us here are involved or have done rescue ourselves and paid for everything out of our own pocket.
We don't screw everyone and anyone willing to help us or the animals we have saved. We also don't have animal control showing up on our doorstep and pressing charges or taking animals away from us. We also don't send any of our 'rescue' horses BACK to the fucking KILLERS!
Quite the contrary in fact. A good number of us are left holding the bag and cleaning up the mess left in the wide wake of disaster from people like $cam & Dean.
Feel free to point fingers. Might I remind you that three of them will be pointing back at you.
Buckdoff- there is a charity that helps rescues who help the horses. I have mentioned them here before. Many of the local tracks have funds to which people can donate, that go towards re-lifing (moving them on to new homes, careers-lives) the OTTB's. You can email me and I will let you know of the ones I am aware of.
WOW. you have your big girl pantys on don't you. You act so tuff and hard on the internet but in real life you probably aren't. And I guess God will be the one to say if Im going to hell or not. Not you. And help me understand what 3 fingers will be pointing back at me. And as far as the whole animal control thing goes its people like you guys who keep calling them because you cant keep your nose out of things. Geezz who would have guessed. BRING IT ON. IM NOT SCARED OF ANY OF YOU. I pay for the horse also. So unless you really have anything really good to come back at me then whatever. Oh wait all you can do is point fingers!!!! OOOHH IM SO SCARED. come on its the fucking internet!
I got banned form the rescuesonly.com board for posting fuglys blog and dean's own email oh and suggesting hardluckluckhorses.com use flipping helmets on the kids. I hope you all go over there an warn the people donating to the new PEC charity drives. They have the SOS drive and the rescuesonlyorg.com site. OH PS
They said Dean never had any horses seized and when i showed them Dean's own email from ABR I got the boot and just check out that hardluckhorses.com site
uh amber honey your an idiot go back to your slimy rock at rescues only board , i privately emailed everyone deans own letter so you can go say she never had horses seized all ya want she admitted to it right here
I will be happy to respond the best I can. Our lawyers have a statement issued so I can't say everything.
The horses in question were given to Serenity rescue as they were very old lame and had health issues. I moved my horses out to dry pasture and did not feel it was in their best interest to put them with other horses for fear of injury.
I was assured from Serenity that they had plenty of room and were able to care for them. I offered them hay or whatever the horses needed.
This is a statement from Kim at Serenity: (My response in red)
Serenity rescue and rehab has the horses from the case. The four counts include one that Sam has, ( This is an auction mare that came in with a torn rectum and also vaginal area. She had foaled right before we got her. She was treated by Dr. Emig. We did not foal her at our facility ) Sam only ended up with her due to the fact she picked up the wrong horse.
One that had to be put down at PEC during the surrender, ( Actually we choose to put down two horses. One was suffering from extreme stringhalt. This was CBER horse Selly. CBER never helped the adopter or went and got him. The other horse was an auction mare that was in horrible shape. She had very crooked front legs and weighed nothing. The former owners that took her to the auction had a sign posted on her stall that she was great to train young stallions on because she was crippled and couldn't get away from them. She basically spent her life being raped. She was immediately vetted and had her feet done. We decided to let her live in the barn and euthanize her if she was in pain. We decided to do that after she could no longer lift her feet for trimming. What Serenity fails to tell is this mare WAS FROM PATRICIA'S ( Head of Serenity Rescue) STALLION!
one that serenity could not save despite major efforts ( She was also an auction horse with a severe old fracture on the right rear. She was approximately mid 20s. She too was in horrible shape on arrival. She was a cribber and had actuallly picked up weight.
and one other. serenity also has others that were surrendered to them from PEC summer 2007. ( NO horses in the summer of 2007 were surrendered to Serenity. I have an adoption contract in place for them adopting them to Patricia prior to her opening her rescue.
Yes, I have been charged with 4 counts misdemeanor. I will not plea bargain and will go to jury. Sam from CBER was instrumental sending a letter to KCAC with very fictional accusations. Yes, Sam is knee deep with Serenity now and going after me when I told what I knew about her rescue dealings.
These people have NOT taken into account what these horses looked like when I got them.
All I can say is that we have done nothing wrong. Those of you that know me, know I could do nothing to hurt any animal. All of the horses have always been under Vet care.
Pacific Equestrian Center
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Edited 4/22/2008 1:38 pm by PEC (PECRESCUE)
Oh children... it may be the internet here, but it's real life for those (animal and human) that have suffered under whatever has gone on here.
And I agree with previous posts... many of the readers here have gone above and beyond their "duty" and saved many horses and absorbed the expenses. It does no good, nor show any maturity or any reason to take one seriously, when insults are flinging like mud... just my thoughts.
The new www.rescueonly.org is not Deans new charity. So once again get your fact straight. are you are little spy? Oh and neither is hard luck either. If you want to we can personally talk about this? Or is that calling you out? Lets see who steps up? Oh ya please go to these website and take a look for yourself. rescuesonly is still under construction. you will see for yourself everything there. if you have any question please feel free to ask me!
Tornado calling people children is insulting and rude. Calling a scam artist a scam artist is not
Wasn't addressing anyone in particular, but it's the attitudes I see coming from a certain poster (think we know who that is). Just stating my thoughts.
Call me out any time any day I am not a scam artist.
I asked on the Rescuesonly.com board who ran the rescuesonly.org rescue and I got no names only its "a bunch of us ". The person introducing the Rescuesonly.org site is PEC . I asked where the horses were I got in and around Washington - IT SCREAMS SCAM You have no contact info no info about your "charity " Go get a job and stop living off other people
tornado my apologies!!!! but I am in a mood I know of good rescues that actually help horseswho could have used the money given to these fake scumbags
Rachel, why don't you enlighten us "uneducated" ones with your wisdom and experience on the quality and genetics of Paint horses?
I think it's time for you to play with your shemale friend and maybe learn to spell while you're at it. Thanks, cutnjump, I have that info from the last post on these champs. Actually, just having a little fun with Amber here. She thinks she's tough because she's able to abuse auction horses with her mentor, Dean, right? While they both drink beer and drink fattening Starbucks confections. Who has a fat ass? We aren't photoshopping ours!! Let's see who has the last laugh..
I completely understand :) I probably could have been clearer, oops....
Hmmm. She actually posted that email herself. So I really dont know how secret you can call it. LOL. nice i live under a slimy rock. but at least a have a backbone. See once again I call you guys out and no response. Oh what will you do next. Lets see what insulting name you can call me! please hurry up.
I did not accuse hardluck.com of being a scam artist. I suggested on the rescuesonly.com site she should make children wear helmets . And she sent me this little private email saying fuck off . I guess she doesnt give a crap about kids my guess is she wouldnt care about horses either.
UH WTF
Hmmm. She actually posted that email herself. So I really dont know how secret you can call it. LOL. nice i live under a slimy rock. but at least a have a backbone. See once again I call you guys out and no response. Oh what will you do next. Lets see what insulting name you can call me! please hurry up.
UH nobody called it a secret and what the hell do you mean by call you out. Like in grade school meet me at the bike racks after school ??? WTF do you mean call me out ??
please have some fun with me. Guess what im fat and i love beer and starbucks. so fucking what. who said that you had to be skinny to have a horse. and as for abusing the auction horse that is total b.s. you aren't there to see what they do to these horse. the last time we went which was last month this drunk mexican guy had a very beautiful ottb who was severly underweight had a cut on her leg riding her and then put her back and left her saddle and bridle on. and her reigns tide to the saddle horn so tide that she couldn't even move her head. we took the bridle off her. and as i was loading up the horse that we got from the auction i stop and petted her goodbye and told her it was alright. she was going to a good home. its funny that all you guy can sit here and talk so much shit but really dont know what is going on. the only reason why i keep responsing the this bs is is because i actually find it very funny.
sassygirl that was a good one!
Ladies and Gentlemen I think we can all agree we have a young troll in our midst.
Spewing and bragging and calling people names. Claiming truth or consequenses and not knowing about the most basic of human anatomy.
Pretty apparent to anyone.
God won't be deciding your final destination of fate, your actions now are doing a good job of that in your own undoing.
As for thinking I am tuff or hard only because I am on the net... I make no reservations in my face to face dealings with anyone. If you had a clue, you would know this.
Oh, and animal control EXISTS because of things like you and your cronies. If everyone knew how to care for their animals and DID SO, there would be NO need for AC. Sadly that isn't the case.
And since Dean admitted s/he had horses removed by AC, who exactly is it that needs to get their facts straight?
Amber you are not telling us anything new unless you count your creative spelling. We all know what happens to horses at auctions. What happens there does not compare to the starvation neglect and being sent to be shot or slaughter that you fake ass rescuers up in Washington are doing. OH PS yes,you heartless ass your girth should be smaller than your horse's girth. Go get your food stamps and go buy another round at Starbucks and go get a real job and let real rescues help the horses.
I bet shemale Amber and shim Dean get together and play 'Spin the Bottle'!
ROFLMAO!
Oh and just to rub it in cause I know how pissy you fat girls get. I am 5'8 and 125 pounds but I still have big boobies . HAAAAAA HAAAAA Sucks to be you . Now be a good tyke and go eat your anger like you have probably be doing for years . lol You wanted fun Amber I am on Dr Pepper and feeling naughty
REGARDING ASPEN WEST:
From someone who has no relation to "Liz" or "Karen"....
If you read "Liz's" stallions page you'll see both of her stallions are no longer hers...
Sassysmom- Mine are real, how about yours? Funny how we can have big boobs and not need a hefty layer of fat under them to support everything.
I about spewed Dr. Pepper on my screen while reading your post.
Holding up my glass to ya!
Oh and getting off your fat, lazy ass (as you said we all have) to do some work will slim down your ass size right quick there Amber. no need for photoshop then... You should try it some time. No need to give up the beer or the starbucks if you are working it off on a daily basis.
So Amber, while we're having fun here, what's with this " I'll call you out" stuff ? Are you a Baby Momma Gangsta or something?
FWIW, Rescuesonly.org is registered to:
Admin Name:Tash Johnson
Admin Street1:17810 NE 29th ST
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Redmond
Admin State/Province:Washington
Admin Postal Code:98052
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.4259859204
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:sand_tiger@hotmail.com
Not sure if that is a familiar player in the CBER/PEC sandbox, but...
As for Amber whinining about the Mexican guy riding a horse through the auction ring, we have some here that would make that guys actions PALE in comparison. They do shit far, far worse than that on a daily basis, because that is their 'culture' or they claim not to speak English when anyone questions their actions.
Tara said, "If you read "Liz's" stallions page you'll see both of her stallions are no longer hers..."
It is my understanding that this breeder is winding down a bit after a long and successful career breeding and showing top quality Paint horses, as well as serving on the Board of Directors at APHA. She's hardly a BYB or irresponsible Paint breeder...
Mu hah hah hah, This is hella fun, I have to hold my drink away from the keyboard, Just Hilarious!! Look I can spell!!
I love DR PEPPER and its not Diet either haha, mine are real and I dont accidentally step on them when I get out of the shower, how bout you Amber, Dean?? I bet that just pisses you off to no extent doesn't it. Bring it on anytime Amber , Im in awesome shape , what shape are you in--besides round??? Do me a favor Amber go post Dean's email on the Rescuesonly.com site and go get kicked off like I did and then ask why ?? Why is Dean still involved with rescue when AC had to take her freaking horses away. How does that make any sense. Is there no jobs in your area ? OR Gyms for that matter?. What I don't get is how you and other supposed rescuers can be online all day begging for money. I have my own horses and when its not raining (cause I am made of sugar)and I am not at work- I am with my horses. I have 4horses and no spare time why do you rescues with a jillion horses have all day to chat and beg???? Put the Snack cakes and Cheetos down , wash your hands,get off your ass and go train a horse so it has some sort of chance of getting a permanent home . Just for the love of god get someone else to ride them, there are enough swaybacked horses already.
Rachel McCart, Equine Legal Solutions said...
Clearly, I overestimated this audience's education and experience. I won't waste any more time trying to educate the willfully ignorant.
Wow Rachel aren't you just a tall drink of iced Shit?
For someone who has the balls to put their name and profession on the line, you obviously don't care a whole heckuvalot about your reputation, much less anyone elses.
Liz is one of the most respected horsewoman in Canada, you know scum-bag rescuers like this topic was oriingally about?
Numerous times she has gone to court to testify agaisnt people like this. She has taken in animals when no one else would. She does not breed nor buy a horse that she wouldn't care for, for life. I have been to her farm. No its not a Kentucky show farm, but its clean, in good repair and full of fat, happy horses who are well loved.
Many of the mares that she has, and babies who have foaled at her place, were purchased in foal. Some were in abhorrent conditions. She has a knack for finding mares who might not look like world champions, but have the bloodlines and ability to sire excellence, and they have done so.
I have one of the throw-away solid foals from I Art to Have Color. She is out of a well-colored double-bred Invester mare, and had she been graced with that 2" of white, she would be a World Class HUS contender. She still might be, the paint shows up here do not have a lot of SPB entries in the classes. My plan is to take her to the Fall World Show as a three year old. Alot can happen between now and then, but thats the plan.
Have you even looked at Art's background? The fact that he's by Artful Move, and out of one of the winningest APHA performance mares of all time? There is no reason not to expect a cross like that to not produce amazing foals. And he has, even with the very limited book he's stood to. The fact that he didn't prodce the hoped for 2" is one of the very smallest marks against him there could possibly be. They're great minded, athletic, correct and beautiful movers. Even if they don't grace APHA rings (and since alot of people here think breed shows are evil anyways) they will be in demand in hunter rings where ever they go.
I find it interesting that you find yourself fit to judge her breeding program based on nothing more than a perusal through an outdated website.
How about you post your personal website here and we'll see how your horses stack up?
whoa....i missed a lot of action here the past hour (;
Snaffles-
Wow aren't you just a tall drink of iced Shit?
I would LOOOVE to put that on a T-shirt or a bumper sticker.
LOL! Maybe Fugly could make a spot for phrases like that here for bumper sitckers and such...
Right up there with-
You suck on so many levels, well, I think you are a Dyson.
(Forgive me but I cannot remember who said that so many blogs back.)
sorry
sitkers = stickers
My Bad.
I think there should be a tshirt for Dean
Somewhere a Trailer Park is missing its Manager because now I'm a horse rescue now!!
So anyway, now that we've heard from Amber, what's up Dean? care to go a few rounds with us here? Maybe tell us your side of the story? No ? I'm not surprised, let a teenage girl defend you here on the net..
Careful Sassysmom, if Amber/Dean ever caught up to you she might sit on you.
I fear you might Squish. Just like grape.
No unleaded here either. Leaded or nothin'.
And yes Buckdoff- hella good fun indeed. Troll or not.
Seems they all come out for the $cam/Dean blogs or the NH blogs.
What's up with that???
forthefuture of the breed said:
"It is my understanding that this breeder is winding down a bit after a long and successful career breeding and showing top quality Paint horses, as well as serving on the Board of Directors at APHA. She's hardly a BYB or irresponsible Paint breeder..."
I was actually sticking up for her...saying that she wasnt the one breeding the stallions...and at any rate, both are quality, well bred animals (solid or not).
Tara
Holy crap, fun stuff, better than T.V.
Will you try to get me Amber? Dean ? Please bring it on . I would gladly enlarge my door and let you in. I will leave a trail of m&ms to my house so you can find me . Bring it on I would love the honor of serving you the knuckle sandwich you deserve.
cutnjump, Wasn't Sam& Dean a band? Back in the oldie days?
I am so sorry to have hijacked this but there is nothing worse than a fake horse rescue to me ,it has made it hard for the real rescues. Plus I love a big fat bitch bashing. Let me make it clear to Amber , Dean , to me fat bitch fake rescue bashing is like how you feel when Baskin Robbins puts out a new flavor of ice cream I just can't stop myself.
Jan and Dean the Dead man curve song
*Okay in regards to your mysterious people who went down to Dean's and saw this poor sick baby. Well he's being treated for strangles that he contracted from the previous owners place. Lets just say he came from a well know breeding facility that just threw him away. Also he is the one who spread all the lice to Deans horses. So the lice was not her fault. We were actually there to help her de-lice and worm all of her horses.*
Rescuers, and other barn operators understand the need for quarantine, and if they can't provide it, this is the mess they get into. Still her fault for taking sick one to healthy ones.
For whomever said LWOS is not an issue because it doesn't "affect" the horse, how does that mare feel physically when she is recovering from a delivery, has milk up the wazoo, and a dead/dying baby...not to mention the baby that suffered until a vet could confirm LW and the atresia ani instead of just max sabino and put the poor baby down. When you PERSONALLY have gone through this, and were assured your purchased mare in foal was not a carrier...you can't possibly understand why anyone would ask that this mutation be left in the gene pool. Did Liz not feel the pain of the sadness and complete avoidability of a LW more than once? The random mutation form obviously can't be avoided.
Ride them, love them, hug them, Parelli them, run them, jump them over the moon, take them to the locals or the worlds...just don't BREED them. OK, Rescue horses already on the ground - it's a noble profession until you end up like the subject of this thread...
Sassymom, That's hilarious, enlarge your doors,O.M.G. like barn doors!! Good One..
My fault, I started it, actually picked it up and ran with it, not your fault, sassymom, I was just sickened by faux rescuer Amber and her comrade Dean. So if Amber wants to call me out, so be it.
Yes it was Jan & Dean. Dead Man's Curve was among several on the album my older brother had.
I liked their music even if it was similar to the sounds of the Beach Boys.
*grin*
Go look at the rescuesonly.com site it is chock full of PEC crapola and followers I don't think its just Amber and Dean. And I don't get something about the strangles/mysterious people comment. Who the heck has a rescue or even just more than one horse and doesn't know to quarantine the new horses. What form of quarantine was she using - prayer???
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