Tuesday, April 8, 2008

Part Two of As The Rescue Implodes...

Note: Newer posts are under this one. I am keeping this up top as many people are looking for it to comment. Thank you.



My timing was great, posting about CBER, because now everything is imploding publicly. This is brilliant. The cast of characters: $am (pictured left), the unethical con artist who runs CBER and has been sending horses out the door to the kill buyer on a regular basis, and Dean, an equally unethical animal hoarder who has over 100 horses stashed in various locations around Seattle since she finally lost her property (scheduled for trustee's sale twice before in the past two years, now apparently surrendered to the lender). Of course, $am has been sending dozens of horses to Dean for years - but now the girls are having a catfight and spilling all the dirt they have on each other publicly! Uh-oh! I love it. It's the pot calling the kettle black, and the drama level is higher than a Friday episode of "General Hospital."


Of course, the part of it I'm not laughing about is the horses that people paid to rescue that most likely went to slaughter anyway, and the horses Dean surrendered that were in such poor shape they had to be euthanized. As usual, a reputable rescue is stuck rehabbing a ton of Dean's skinny, lice-ridden, rain-rotted horses.


Also par for the course, both parties here like to make legal threats at anybody who calls them on their shit. OK, girls, sue me. We've been down this road before and I've told you before: Go for it. I'd love to depose you. I dream of deposing you both. Not to mention the fun of the discovery process in general! (Man, I can imagine few things more fun than going through your books with a fine-toothed comb and a forensic accountant, $am. That would be awesome. And Dean, I'd love to ask you under oath how it is you think you are a responsible rescuer when you are so broke the electric is getting turned off. You do know I can verify all of this, right?) And you both know that I have a ton of each of your former supporters more than happy to be witnesses to the fact that everything I say about both of you is the truth. Yes, I can represent myself in Washington. You are not going to get some attorney who is clueless about horse rescue to go up against. You're going to get me, and you know that I know where a lot of your bodies are buried. So sue me if it makes you happy, it will certainly be great entertainment for me.


The fun started last week, when an e-mail from $am to her remaining board of directors (most of 'em have gotten smart and bailed) got posted for the world to see on Craigslist:

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:11 PM


Subject: FEB 1 DEADLINE


Hi All,


Today reality struck me, I am going under and it seems so is CBER. I AM IN A PANIC! If CBER shut down tomorrow I would be stuck paying off the CBER line of credit which right now is $20,000. I have a personal line of credit that I used for farm improvements, ie electric for the rescue, pay off for the trailer, pay off the tractor, fencing, panels, shelters......... that is at $8,000. I owe Kelly for 14 tons of hay, I owe Payroll taxes of $3,100, I am supporting 11 CBER horse not to mention mine and I can not go on at this rate. CBER has two options to raise the money for the outstanding board ($3,545) or I am going to have to have these horses put down. (FHOTD in: Give me money or I shoot the horses!) That is the immediate fix then we have to tackle the LOC. I am going in the whole and it is getting bigger daily. 20,000 8,000 3,100 1,400 32,500 owed THis figure does not include Feb bills which I do not have the money for either. I have $7 dollars in my personal checking account, and $1,000+ in the farm account. I am at a loss as to what to do (GET A JOB, YOU LAZY SOW! That's what the rest of us do when we need money. I know, what a horrifying concept...) but there needs to be some dramatic changes and fast. The horses that do not have board covered have till 2/1/08 or they are going to have to go. I am so sorry for this sad news but I can not endure such debt and I better get out now before I am responsible for even more. Thanks, Sam


Now it continues with this war on the "ICERS" forum:


From: DEANPEC 9:25 am To: ALL 423.1


I agree with none of this Sam. I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars to support CBER over the years only to find out you have given horses away to a known killbuyer and taken horses back to the lot to be shipped. (Maybe you should have spent some of that money paying your mortgage? Just a thought!) I had a nice conversation with Oly Olsen on Sunday. He said both you and Wayne have sold horse to him. I am ashamed I ever called you my friend and spent years defending you. You are a backstabbing liar and a thief. (True) Yes, this will go to my lawyer. (Does he know your track record of paying your bills? I'm seeing more litigation in your future...) You want a battle Sam. You got it. Better cover your ass! What you have sone and are doing to these horses and people is wrong. You took donations from those who from the generousity of their hearts wanted to save the life of a horse, took the money and sent the horse to slaughter. (Well, YOU took donations from people and then let the horses sit in shit up to their ankles covered in rainrot and lice...but hey, I guess those are at least alive...well, most of 'em.) I don't believe for one minute that Wayne euthanised all the CBER horses as you said for free! In fact I have an e-mail from you and you also asked for funds for this on the board stating it was $150.00 per horse. Which is it Sam?You turned on me when it was convenient for you and now are lying about me to others. Nice Sam.Nice to see you're back in bed with your old friends you hated last year. ( Serenity Rescue & Kim Clark ) Are you tired of using people up yet Sam?You seem to forget Sam that Darlene ( Exceller Fund ) and I would NO LONGER take CBER horses. Not the other way around!______________________________________________________________________PEC





My name is Samantha Milbredt Panayotopulos, I am the President and founder of Columbia Basin Equine Rescue. CBER was started in August of 04 and has rescued approximately 3,200 horses destine for slaughter during that time. I have taken care of sick rescue horses for years and know the difference between good care....... Dean Solomon from the Pacific Equestrian Center got involved with CBER by adopting horses. Over time rumors started to circulate that she was not ethical and collected too many horses. A CBER volunteer that lived locally and went to check on the facility and reported that it was not bad. (Why did you send so many horses there without checking it out yourself? Get off your dead ass, already.) To an in-experienced horse owner PEC might not look bad, however, other reports from more experienced CBER volunteers conflicted that statement. As the President of CBER it was my duty to see for myself. (BEFORE YOU SENT HER HORSES, NOT AFTER!!!) In the winter 06 a colleague and I went to Pacific Equestrian Center to see for ourselves. Driving up the road it became overwhelmingly apparent that she had too many horses. There were horses stuffed in every corner of her property and her fencing was in terrible disrepair and the piles of manure were everywhere. It was winter and many of the horses were blanketed, I asked that the blanket be taken off. Dean accommodated my wishes and showed me the horses. While none were super thin, none looked to be flourishing, all had dull coats and looked unhappy and unhealthy. My lasting poor impression was of her facility and the sadness of the horses. It was a pig stye - there was manure stacked a mile high, the mud was frozen but obviously filthy with feces and urine. It was decided at that time that no more horses from CBER would go to PEC till she got her facility improved and dramatically reduced her numbers. (But we sure as hell didn't take back the ones we had ALREADY put over there, that were sitting there looking like shit, 'cause you know, I might have to get a job to feed 'em and that would just not be right.) This winter two pregnant CBER horses in my care were possibly going to PEC as I do not have stall for foaling. (Oh give me a break. You have panels coming out your ass. Make one.) I was called by a CBER supporter and she said that the guy that was working for Dean said she did not have any hay and that her numbers were very high and that Dean was never on the property. (All true, on numerous occasions.) At this point CBER was finished with Dean and was no longer willing to allow her adopt any horses even though she constantly tried to adopt them. (But again, you didn't take back the ones she already had. She still has most of them!) During this time period a friend was at PEC and took photos - the conditions were worse then in 06. After Dean Soloman surrendered some horses to to Serenity Rescue I offered to help Dean - as always she would not accept my help. After repeated tries she finally allowed me to pick up two horses. I went to PEC and the conditions were far worse then they had ever been. Filthy water tanks, piles of manure everywhere, mud, dirt and the stench was horrid. Most of the horses were removed but the aftermath and filth was still there. It looked like a war zone. Arriving at Serenity Rescue was the most depressing element of the day, not because of Serenity but because of the horses. They looked like they had just gotten out of a concentration camp. The horses surrendered were in horrid condition. All were skinny, malnourished, covered with lice and rain rot. Their feet were all in need of farrier care. I found myself comparing PEC and Dean's surrendered horses like those that are slaughter bound. You have every type of horse - healthy, sick, fat, thin, wild, friendly, sound and lame. Some are wormy, covered in lice, the mane and tails are all knotted - Dean's horses were no different. The only difference is that the feedlot where we rescue from is a far better maintained facility. (This is actually true!) All the horses have shelter, fresh running water, access to as much as hay as they need, the mud is controlled (OK that part is bullshit, see above - feedlot mare that went down in the mud at Chuck's. Rumor has it she suffocated to death.) and there is not as much over crowding. Interesting to be comparing a holding facility of slaughter-bound horses to place that is supposed to be a rescue. I am a long time horse owner showing English Equitation over fences on the East Coast. I have a life long knowledge about horses and their proper care. Dean Soloman does not provide that for horses. I have nursed 100 of sick horse back to health and what Dean is calling a rescue is more appropriately labeled cruelty to horses. Horses should not live in such horrid conditions - nor should they deteriorate in someone's care. If you can not take care of them properly you should not take care of them at all. (Or shoot them, right $am?)


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Something I've always wondered about - does anybody on the East coast actually remember this girl showing A circuit? She seems to barely ride and has posted before that it's too dangerous for her to get on the horses she markets to others. I also think it's funny she claims to have been a magazine editor given her, um, writing style.



As for Dean, I can make few comments about her funnier than simply posting this picture she herself posted where she has very obviously photoshopped her ass. Though you can also search "Dean Solomon" and "Dean Knapton" (her maiden name) here, to see her long and undistinguished history in this state. She and her husband are in bankruptcy too - you know, that's a really good time to go down to the Enumclaw Auction and pick up like TEN MORE HORSES, as I just heard she did on Sunday. STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! Get some professional help! Get a damn job! Take care of what you have! Who has to surrender a ton of horses to another rescue and then goes and gets MORE? An ANIMAL HOARDER, that's who!


Yeah, I just can't decide who to hate more here - the sleazy dealer masquerading as a rescuer or the out-of-control hoarder masquerading as a rescuer. What do you all think? It's like some annoying reality show where you realize that you hate both of the last two contestants and hope they both lose.

On behalf of rescuers everywhere, can we please get some more of you with actual paying jobs and no criminal records to join our ranks? That would be awesome...kthx. In the meantime, let's all make popcorn and shall we take bets who wins the battle on ICERS? Dean is more literate - but $am is a better con artist. Dean gets caught doing stuff, $am always seems to be teflon coated. Well, at least 'til now...



P.S. And again, neither one of these winners has a JOB. Did you know that you can actually work all day AND ALSO feed, clean, and exercise horses? I know, what a shocker...If Joe at TB Friends with a hundred horses can also work, and he does, YOU CAN, TOO. As good as you both are at scamming people and talking otherwise reasonable people into throwing money at you, I'm sure you'd make a mint as car saleswomen. You ought to check it out.

369 comments:

J Kane said...

OMG, I'm sorry in all that tale of woe.....I can't believe she photoshopped her butt!!
And so obviously. I am LMAO here.
The rest of it is just too depressing for words.

Knitting Keeps Us Sane said...

Thats disgusting. Plain disgusting. They should be made live in their own stalls, cared for as they "care" for their horses - lets see how long they think its fun!

kristien said...

This is absolutely ridiculous and fits with what Joe wrote on TB friends this morning. People who don't have horse sense or can't financially support a horse (or themselves apparently) should not have horses.
How hard is that to understand? Not hard at all...

kristien said...

This is absolutely ridiculous and fits with what Joe wrote on TB friends this morning. People who don't have horse sense or can't financially support a horse (or themselves apparently) should not have horses.
How hard is that to understand? Not hard at all...

Dog Breeders From Hell said...

The photoshop ass is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. Could we be more obvious?!?!?

Hallei said...

I am speechless. Disgusted and speechless.

suvalley said...

These two are why it is so difficult for legitimate rescue organizations to get wide spread support....their methods infect the horse loving donor like some sort of blighted pestilence. The donor gets nothing but heart ache and in the end, they firmly resolve not to give to horse rescue for any reason.

I thank the stars that our local statewide rescue group, while tiny, is fairly well respected. Of course, that does not equate monetary support. They have one fundraiser a year, period...which is coming up this month. There is not one paid staff member, everything is done by volunteers.

summerhorse said...

No words left to comment on these two (although I will applaud Dean for at LAST speaking out against CBER). But yeah, pot meet kettle.

I would love to say to all the people who attacked me and others trying to shed some light on these "rescues" TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!

I get ill when I think of all the horses bought by donors who either got shot (yeah, like any shippable horse will get shot when they can make $200) or shipped or had to be rescued from the "rescuers".

TrueToTheBreed said...

Oh My God! Call for help! Her right arse cheek is missing!

The photo didn't look too bad until i zoomed in and realized just how much should really be there. Now I can't decide if I should get off the internet and go to the gym... or invest in photoshop.

GotWine97 said...

Is it any wonder these two losers found one another??
How is it that people like this can so easily snow other people when (at least in the case of $am) they don't even have the skills to communicate?
Well...it's a sorry state for those poor horses, and I'm sure some other rescue will get stuck with them or else they'll continue to go to the kill buyer until these two crap-for-brains biatches run each other thoroughly into the ground.

L said...

Could she be HYPP N/H?

...

(kidding!)

Seriously, though, I want to do some horse flipping. Buy a couple nice 2 yos, treat them right for a few years, start them at 4 or 5, get a good start on them... I could have all the youngsters I want, set them up for good lives, and "rescue" what I can handle. Getting one of those major injury or neglect cases would be just heartbreaking, and I don't think I could let it leave when s/he's been rehabbed.

CutNJump said...

All I can say is HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

As the barn burns,
As the walker turns...

Either way this CBER/PEC "rescue" debacle has way more drama thn anything on TV. Even Jerry Springer.

Speaking of Jerry Springer, when will $am and Dean be on the show?

Should make for some great ratings, I would think.

Magna Cum Mule Trainer said...

Would anyone like to join the lynch mob? I got the torches and pitchforks, and I'll bring my mule and my rope. All that mud will be nice for dragging people (read: these two) through it.


Seriously, what the fuck? How was there anyone left these people could dupe with all those neglected horses about?

I don't get it- why in the holy hell do you get a horse(or 10) when you can't keep YOUR OWN ASS out of bankruptcy?

The stupidity, it burns.

Charlie said...

FUGLY: Everything you have said may be true, but if the battle is only taking place on ICERS, where will we find the truth of it all?? Do you know of any lawsuits to close CBER or bring charges of animal abuse or whether the Washington Attorney General has brought a suit against CBER's claim to be a charity?? Same with PEC. I sure would like to find out some verifiable truth about Sam's operation - even you put out the rumor, as you called it, of the mare suffocating in the mud at the feedlot.

I'm nor trying to defend anyone, just trying to get past the accusations and get to what is really going on here.

Magna Cum Mule Trainer said...

I sorta wonder about the original dimensions of her azz if she had to photoshop it.
Perhaps you should have found a different spot to take a picture?

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

Lots of people have complained to the Attorney General about CBER. Nothing to my knowledge has been done.

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

And by the way, the mare down in the mud definitely did die. It's the exact cause I'm not sure on. One story says she suffocated.

erica said...

If you're going to photoshop your ass...at least make it look SMALL. Fuck the what, haha.

Regal said...

I would love to see one of them try to sue you and see thier story get plastered all over the States. Let everyone know who they are and what pain they cause!!!!

OutRiding01 said...

I'm on the East Coast and have been showing A-circuit hunters, jumpers and equitation my whole life and have never heard of her before. But figuring she was a bit before my time, I asked my trainers about her since they've been everywhere on the coast regularly for years and years. Nope, no idea. And with a name like that, it'd be hard to forget if she had actually accomplished something noteworthy. Beside, who actually calls A-circuit eq, English Equitation Over Fences? If you're doing eq on the A-circuit, it's a given it's English and that there will be jumps involved...

MyTwoPonies said...

Well, you can find a lot of public information on-line and by googling.

Here's from King County parcel info(2 permit compaints issued):

http://www6.metrokc.gov/ddes/scripts/permlist.cfm?Parcel_no=0321059171

Permit Information:
Project No: E0700019
Permit Type: ENFORCE
Sub-Type: ENFORCE
Status: TRANSFER
Process Percent: 100%
Description: TOO MANY HORSES, NO MANURE MANAGEMENT PLAN IN PLACE. OCCUPANCY OF A SUBSTANDARD BARN.
Applied/Opened: 01/05/2007
Completed Date: 12/28/2007



Permit Information:
Project No: E0500615
Permit Type: ENFORCE
Sub-Type: ENFORCE
Status: CLOSED
Process Percent: 100%
Description: FILLING IN A DITCH WITH HORSE MANURE THAT FLOWS INTO A STREAM
Applied/Opened: 07/28/2005
Completed Date: 08/02/2005
Contact Information:
Assigned Staff: DOLE
Site Information:
Location & Juris.: A1
Community Plan: SOOS CREEK
Comp Plan: GRNBLT/SEPARATOR


Contact Information:
Assigned Staff: SHOR
Site Information:
Location & Juris.: A1
Community Plan: SOOS CREEK
Comp Plan: GRNBLT/SEPARATOR



In addition, there are a few bad reviews that you can find on-line:

http://seattle.citysearch.com/review/41511567

http://yellowpages.aol.com/business/pacific-equestrian-center/kent/wa/0,118181882/

http://www.petboro.com/reviews.aspx?id=33&category=9


Links to pictures of the PEC horses (you have to go through the whole thread as they are spread throughout):

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/over-60-starving-horses-need-help-washington-172968-3.html

4thehorses said...

I went to PEC in Kent under Dean's management, and was immediately irritated with the 3 year old Hannoverian STUD that wasn't 15 hands. I thought WTF - why are you going to breed that puny POS? Then I started looking around more, Percheron yearlings in dog runs. 30 horses and 5 acres of turnout, I got out, never looked back, thought - stupid bitch, you have no clue either!!!

gunner408 said...

wow.

Juicey1 said...

Well I am truly disgusted,and Sam you are truly a big ol' Piece of Shit!!! What a skank of a human to use these poor horses as your tool to con genuinely good people out of money. People who wanted to help the horses only helped you and your sleezy network of evil doers continue to do nothing in the way of helping these animals. Of course the victims are the horses who through no fault of their own got dragged to one of you or your cohorts shitty facilities. It is good to see FHOTD calling your dumb asses out!!! Oh and the photoshop Butt pic...WTF was that about? "Please nobody cares what your ass looks like." Go get a damn JOB, be responsible for christ sakes. Have you no moral compass who raised you bafoons? Just pisses me off to no end. So now what about the animals currently on this skeezoid's website, are they already doomed or can someone actually save them? I would be glad to donate to a legitamate rescue provided it was on the up and up. Oh and why hasn't the Humane Society gotten involved with this? Well Sam hopefully you will enjoy the reaping of what you have sewed and be blessed with many years of misery without owning any horses or other creatures that breath. Get a pet rock you freak!!!

Kristen said...

If only photoshop could really shrink your ass.....lol

What a sad sad sad state of affairs.

OK, off to go earn some $$...at my job! hee hee

Serena said...

I am SO glad my girl got rescued from CBER! I just wish i knew more . . . does ANYONE remember a bay roan draft-cross filly? Would have been a weanling, back in 2004? Yes, she's my avatar. And yes, i should have posted this at the bottom of the previous post, but i don't want to get lost in the shuffle.

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

>>rescued from CBER!<<

Truer words were never spoken!

motleycrew said...

While these two dumb bitches slug it out the horses continue to suffer. Sad, very sad.

KattPatt said...

Fugly - is that not Angel? Looks like one of the pics I had. Angel, the one the lot owner hooked to the tractor and "suffocated her" or broke her neck - according to which story you hear.

BTW - as of today CBER is delinquent on the registry as a charity in WA state. Don't take my word for it. Check the Secretary of State for WA and search Charities. I for one complained back in 2005. If I could have gotten more to come forward perhaps something could have been done about the 501 but everyone did not want to make waves.

When I first met Sam in 2003 and we talked about this lot, I knew it could be a goldmine. She poorly manages it. CBER is not a rescue but a broker. BUT as a rescue she gets away with selling without paperwork, selling you a lame "sound" horse, a horse that might kill you, sell to hoarders, sell you a very sick horse, solicitating funds, not being held accountable for finances, the list goes on and on.

I also do not know about the county she is in in regards to AC vs Sheriff, but I will bet is it really no different then the rest of WA state. If there is food and water on property and the owner has an excuse they the sheriff walks away. We have TONS of "good old boy" attitudes here.

HorsePoor said...

The photoshopped ass is too funny! *snort*

The rest is sickening. I have no words for these people. *headdesk*

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

>>Fugly - is that not Angel? Looks like one of the pics I had. Angel, the one the lot owner hooked to the tractor and "suffocated her" or broke her neck - according to which story you hear.<<

Yup. Didn't Chuck try to drag her out of the mud with a tractor and kill her, as all the CBER dimwits watched?

And yet they sit around and drink beer with this man. Sickening.

SciFiGirl said...

Well, I'm a "rescuer" in the sense that I currently own two horses I bought off of the meat man, that I am now trying to sell. However, I've invested in things like, oh, feed, veterinary care, training.... And I'm just selling them, not promoting them as "rescues".

And why? Because I'M EMPLOYED. I've often considered taking in *just* one more, because we do have the space. However, I don't have the extra money for upkeep, nor the time to deal with any more than I'm already dealing with. There are LIMITS people.

So if I win the lottery, I promise to build a nice big ol' facility, with proper fencing and lush pastures, hire a trainer, and take in as many "unwanteds" as I can. M'kay? ;)

The Boss Bitch said...

This may sound like a dumb question but if CBER was fleecing so much money from people ... where is it? If they are not feeding horses, paying vet bills, paying for vehicles, paying for upkeep and property maintanence, employing staff, paying utility bills, paying a mortgage ... where the heck is the money? Sounds to me like she scammed more than a few thousand sheckles from people.

I mean, you can't just take a shitload of cash, not spend it on the things you say you will and then declare 'poo poo woe is me I'm bankrupt'. Where is the goddam money?

And the photo shop thing - that made my day.

GotWine97 said...

Oh, and if that Dean woman worried about her horses half as much as she's apparently worried about her ass, maybe we wouldn't be blogging about her.

la mexicana said...

Fugly – Thank you for finally posting this and exposing Dean for what she is! I too would love to see this heartless witch in court, but she never shows up to face her fate, so I guess we will continue to wait. She will eventually appear when she discovers what the term “Bench Warrant” means.

And Dean, since I know you are reading, here is what I have to say to you. I would love to tell it to your face, but I can’t because you won’t return any of my phone calls or answer my e-mails. You did not spend thousands and thousands of dollars supporting CBER. Rather, you stole tens of thousands of dollars from well-meaning people who tried to help the horses who were under your care (or better put, lack thereof). You used the money to support you disgusting lifestyle. You have no regard for the lives of others. In addition, you took donations of money, supplies and materials from people after presenting PEC as a 501c3 non-profit, which you were not.

The really disturbing thing about all this (actually two things) is that King County Animal Control has been aware of the activity at Dean’s place since 2006. They have done nothing! People working at Animal control appear to be working for Dean, not for the well being of the animals. Secondly, while Dean commonly hoards over 100 horses at a time, she is still getting more horses EVERY WEEK from local sales, private parties, and an undisclosed location East of the mountains (CBER maybe?). When is this ever going to come to an end?

Finally, what can you do to help? Call the King County Council and send them letters. Let them know that the corruption within King County Animal Control will not be tolerated. Visit the Serenity Rescue site and see the horses they got from PEC in February of this year. Not all the horses are on the site, unfortunately, because they were too sick to recover and had to be euthanized. Make a donation if you wish.
http://serenityequinerescue.com/default.aspx
or www.serenityequinerescue.com

I have pages and pages of material against Dean that has been submitted to “authorities” with no recourse. I like the idea of a mob. She has got to be stopped! If anyone has any new ideas please let us know.

JoZ said...

She must have photoshopped out the tail that would have made it clear she's a HORSE'S ASS.

BuckdOff said...

Geeze, I really hope they are both DONE. Do you think they could start up again? They could have money stashed, money was coming in(donations) and wasn't being used for the purposes the donor intended. If they aren't prosecuted they could begin again somewhere else. The picture of the dead horse in the mud is horrifying, I just got home, clicked on and Yikes..

VPIReiner said...

I wonder if Jerry Springer would have them on the show... Might bring a good audience to watch the fight, although with the size of that photoshopped arse, Jerry's bouncer/security guy might have his hands full trying to keep these two from killing each other.

sheesh...drama, drama, drama.

Charlie said...

>>Fugly - is that not Angel? Looks like one of the pics I had. Angel, the one the lot owner hooked to the tractor and "suffocated her" or broke her neck - according to which story you hear.<<

>>Yup. Didn't Chuck try to drag her out of the mud with a tractor and kill her, as all the CBER dimwits watched?<<

Are you guys talking about the photo of that poor mare in the mud? And you seriously think you can identify her by a picture you have of her??? Are you out of your mind??? That is absolutely absurd

Now YOU guys sound like CBER and ICERS.

By the way, a charity can be "delinquent" if it hasn't filed it's annual report on time. That happens to even great charities.

Again ... I'm nor trying to defend CBER at all - believe me - but you guys are just a lynch mob cheering ICERS entries from the sidelines.

Where is your effort to get to the facts of this situation so as to actually SHUT DOWN these operations (CBER and PEC)??

I'm disappointed FUGLY - I know this is just a blog of your snarky comments and personal opinions, but I really thought truth was your goal.

This stuff about CBER Sam and PEC that you've posted is just catty gossip and repetition of rumor and doesn't add a thing to anyone's knowledge about the situation or sane public discourse.

I think you should change the name of your blogfrom Fugly HOTD to FIcers HOTD.

I held you to a higher standard than the crap that flies around ICERS - my mistake.

jeniferb said...

ok this is very depressing. What idoits. I do hope they get nailed for tax fraud. They will, there was a lot of money going through there at one time. I gave them lots of money myself and certainly regret it. I guess I helped buy a new truck or something like that. The only thing I could think of doing right now to make me feel a bit better was a bit of restoration on her ass.
check it out here
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/graywolf_photos/photoshoppedass2.jpg

Karen V said...

Can someone clue me in here…HOW does a horse get lice? Is it a living in filth thing? What does it looks like if a horse is lice infested?

I understand rainrot, especially in wet climates such as Western Washington. They just don’t ever dry out.

I live in eastern (drier) Washington and have an open sided barn and more often than not, the horses are out in the rain and snow. I clean the stall of those critters that INSIST on pooping in the barn (4 out of 5) nightly, but only clean their runs weekly. My barn isn’t pristine, but I wouldn’t call it dirty either.

I’ve never had rainrot “happen” at my barn. I’ve gotten a few that came with it. No big deal, I treat, blanket, and get it cleared up. I’ve never had lice either. Does that “just happen”? It is a problem for ALL horses in a certain area, sort of like fleas on dogs in certain areas? I don’t get it.

HorseNoir said...

Fugly,

This is some of the funniest stuff I've ever read on your site. I'm so, so sorry for the horses, but at least you make the whole sordid affair bearable by slamming the perpetrators and making us laugh! Thanks, it's been a looong day.

MyTwoPonies said...

"This stuff about CBER Sam and PEC that you've posted is just catty gossip and repetition of rumor"

I just posted your proof. And if you actually took the time to read you would see that the craigslist post was 100% true.

If it were not for people asking serious questions, then they would still be scamming people out of their hard earned money. Quit blaming the ICERS... go look on how many people have been saying the same thing on other forums.
A lot of people have been complaining for years- this is nothing new!

horspoor said...

Regarding the photoshopping out her ass. Well....if she'd been doing the work to maintain those horses, she wouldn't have to worry about it. She'd look like Linda whatshernose in the second Terminator movie. Hard body extraodinaire.

Morgan_Horse_Queen said...

Haven't had any first hand dealings with any of these folks. I do know they caused a whole heap of trouble on Alex Brown Racing. When they were still soliciting funds there, all you had to do was see the letters C-B-E-R and you knew the sh*t would fly. I am so glad I trusted my gut instincts and didn't send them a nickel. It just sounded wrong, wrong, wrong from the very beginning...

Charlie said...

MyTwo Ponies:

I see your posted proof but am not sure what it is. Are the two posted "Permits relating to PEC and related to permits she obtained to make changes on her grounds to comply with complaints? I'm just not sure what they are.

Am I missing lawsuit findings in your list? And what about CBER?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just looking for the truth - just like you.

KattPatt said...

Sorry Charlie - oh come on you knew that was coming.

I have know Sam since pre-CBER and have been against the rescue idea since then (circa 2003).

And yes Charlie - that is the same photo I have documenting that horrible time. The reason we are enraged is that Sam tried to cover the whole thing up. When someone posted the photos and the story she had to come clean.

That is not the only "horror story".

CBER would not be a focul point in any "catty wars" if they just told the truth. If they were pro-active in stopping the sale of more stock to the dealer. If they did not sell but adopted and followed up on adoptions. If they did not sell to re-sellers or outright lie about the horse's potential and even gender at times.

Also, if you are in the horse world you know that women are very catty in our equine ways.

CutNJump said...

Ok so I went on the link about Dean Solomon’s court record. She’s had 43 run-ins with the law and court system.

Seems it starts back in 1988 with two Juvenile charges.

Then another Juvi charge in 1998.

Then in May 2001- a Criminal Felony Charge, followed by
June, 2001 a criminal charge.

May 2003- Civil Services Rendered
June 2003- Civil Harassment

2004 was a busy year for her and the law-
Jan- Civil Goods & Services
Probable Cause
Criminal
Feb- Civil Domestic Violence
Judgment Trans Judgment
Civil Trans Judgment
June- Infraction Traffic
Criminal Non-Traffic
July- Infraction Traffic
Aug- Civil Harassment
Oct- Civil Tax Warrant
Judgment Tax Warrant
Nov- Judgment Criminal

2005-
Mar- Infraction Traffic
Infraction Traffic
June- Civil Goods & Services
July- Judgment Paternity
Judgment Paternity
Dec- Civil Small Claims

2006-
Jan- Civil Services Rendered
Infraction Traffic
Criminal Traffic
Civil Other
Mar- Civil Other
Criminal Traffic
Infraction Traffic
Infraction Traffic
Infraction Traffic
Dec- Small Claim Goods & Services

2007-
Jan- Civil NSF Check
Civil Goods & Services
Sept- Infraction Traffic
Criminal Traffic

2008-
Jan- Judgment Trans Judgment
Civil Trans Judgment
Feb- Civil Domestic Violence



What more is there to say?

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

It's not "crap" that flies around.It's truth and it's starting to stick.I've been saying it for years, LONG before this blog came about.

And the mare in the mud? Those pictures were posted by CBER on their original bulletin board. That is where the pics came from. They ID'd the horse and told the story, then pulled the pics down. Fortunately, several people had already saved them.

casual observer said...

What I don't get, and I've been followng the CBER saga for over two years now, is WHERE IS ANIMAL CONTROL IN ALL THIS??????

Lulu said...

Ha ha ha.... Ha ha ha... She photo shopped her own butt. HA HA HA!

SpottedReiner said...

Even though she Photoshopped her butt, it still looks bad...

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

I admit, despite all the serious issues here, I just about cried laughing the first time I saw the erased-butt pic.

CutNJump said...

La Mexicana-
If anyone has any new ideas please let us know.


Wrap her in Hotwire, plug it in and watch the fireworks?

Got my popcorn...

SpottedReiner said...

Even though her butt is obviously photoshopped, it still looks hideous...LOL...

Rachel said...

The idiot who photo shopped her ass wins. I mean, it adds new meaning to "get off your ass." Maybe if she worked with her horses some, she'd drop a little weight.

This is all just getting ridiculous.

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KattPatt said...

Dear Casual Observer,

The lot (they call a feedlot) sells stock - cattle/horses - year round on their livestock dealership license. The lot often does not receive the stock in good condition and with lack-a-daisy laws on equine dumpage, it will continue. CBER does not follow up on foster nor sales - what they call adoption. AC in WA is more in tune with cats/dogs. Rare to get on that knows a thing about horses. We have large sections of only sheriff controlled areas.

AC must be repeatidly bugged about the situation before something is done. And you really need the media for help. It took PETA and a very vocal person on the coast (thanks Gerri) to help with one I was working on.

Since CBER does not house many horses they are never "in trouble". PEC must have food and water available and sounds like vet records so AC will stand back.

This is not out of the ordinary.

And although CBER is something of an anomoly - there are other "rescues" who sell for dealers. CBER just has reached out with heart-wrenching tales of shipment to slaughter that grabs money accross the US.

CutNJump said...

From the OP-

As good as you both are at scamming people and talking otherwise reasonable people into throwing money at you, I'm sure you'd make a mint as car saleswomen. You ought to check it out.


Oh yes. Please check out Earnhardt's when you do.

There is a gal here- trader of extraordinary level, who snookered these guys on a deal when they bought several horses from her.

Pappa Tex can be seen sitting on a large steer (nose ring anchored to the ground) in the tv commercials where he says, "That ain't no bull."

This gal pulled the wool over their eyes and the rug out from under them on the horse deal and when they came back to call her out on it, they told her if she ever got out of horses they could use her on the car lot!

As for high pressure sales- they are the leader there too as well a a good number of other shady things...

hollypossum said...

I can only hope that criminal charges will be forth coming,let's see how many counts of fraud and felony animal cruelty is that?

Stephanie said...

This hole thing is disgusting and horrifying.

The Photoshopped ass, though? Absolutely hilarious.

CutNJump said...

Fugs I think a new and maybe more appropriate name for $am would be $cam.

CutNJump said...

And the badly photoshopped ass was just funny enough to make mw spew cracker crumbs everywhere...

gunner408 said...

Do we think this will make it easier or more difficult for me get better info about how my CBER "rescue" actually got to CBER in the first place??

My guess is more difficult, if that is even possible. Rahh!

Ignore this if you've already looked:
www.freewebs.com/reveillepony

Whitewolf821 said...

I have read the fugly blog for a long time now, and I have never posted. Today, I feel I need to. I am so saddened by all of this.

I never knew too many of the details of PEC, only that they weren't what they seemed to be. About two years ago, there was an OTTB named Jack that Dean adopted. I found out within the past six months that Jack passed away while in her care apparently from a colic, but "the vet was with him the whole time." I have to doubt that statement now.

The reason it saddens me even more is that I was the original adopter of Jack, but family circumstances arose at the last minute and I chose to let someone better set up for him at that time adopt him instead. Famous last words

Windsong Stables said...

I am absolutely disgusted by this. Sickened. For the record (and whatever its worth) I am a rescuer of sorts. I DO do some breeding, but I do all my own showing, training, etc. I Check out ALL of the homes I sell horses to, and they always go with as much training as is appropriate for their age. They are well fed and loved, and worst case scenerio, I just keep them at home... LOL

I take in a rescue or two when I can. I WORK and do my own barn EVERY damn day. I am sickened when things like this happen, and the worst part is the helpless feeling I get.

Seems like no matter how much we try, We can never keep up with the aweful people out there who drag us down and down.

However I am a REAL rescuer as far as I am concered. I dont find it hard to keep the ball rolling. I agree with you Fugs... GET A FREAKIN' JOB!

Again... I work, at a large thoroughbred farm. I work HARD there, and I come home and care for the 13 I have at home. I work HARD here. Some days I am exausted. Some months i dont get out other than work and the barn. Sometimes I go without fancy new clothing. I dont drive a nice vehicle. I am 21 years old, and I DONT rely on man to take care of me. For F*CK SAKES. IF I CAN DO IT, Im SURE most Adults can.

And the best part. I DONT beg or ask for donations for my rescues! I WORK and feed them myself!!

www.windsongstables.tk

MyTwoPonies said...

Charlie, I provided the actual link so you can look over the information yourself. The permit violations are on the property title and listed on the King County web site and listed as ENFORCE, by complaint (not the owner). That is 100% written proof for you that the conditions were poor. What does that have to do with a lawsuit and horse rescue conditions? And someone would sue for what?

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

Well, she's BEEN sued for fraudulently billing a client for services that weren't rendered. She no-showed, the client took a default. It's kinda hard to lie and say a horse was gelded when its balls are still attached.

Crunchberry's mom said...

wtf? i think they should both be hog tied and left to drown in that shitty, pissy mud hole. >:(

and who the hell is so vain they photoshop their ass in a pic?

la mexicana said...

Whitewolf - It saddens me to tell you this, but Jack did not die from colic. It still brings tears to my eyes remembering how he went.

Jack contracted Strangles at PEC in 2006. He was locked in a dark stall and ignored for weeks (maybe even months). I won't waste space with details, but you get the jist.

Time went by and "someone" called a vet out to look at him. Dean was livid and went on a rampage! She refused to have him treated. Some time later he was down in the stall and refused to get up (January 2007) Dean FINALLY had the vet out after innocent Jack had suffered for months. He was diagnosed with Bastard Strangles which involved internal pus filled abscesses. Everytime one of them ruptured he got sicker and sicker. Dean was told he would not make it, yet she wouldn't have him humanely euthanized. The vet work for hours and through the night. Jack finally lost his fight and died in the barn.

To put icing on the cake, Dean wrote a rubber check to the vet to cover the costs of his treatment, which would have been much more successful had the call been made at the start of his illness.

RIP Jack.

Crunchberry's mom said...

Blogger horspoor said...

Regarding the photoshopping out her ass. Well....if she'd been doing the work to maintain those horses, she wouldn't have to worry about it. She'd look like Linda whatshernose in the second Terminator movie. Hard body extraodinaire.

April 8, 2008 2:45 PM


Hamilton. her name is Linda Hamilton, and i bet she can throw some hay! LOL

Windsong Stables said...

la mexicana-

Your story had me almost in tears. My heart hurts for Jack. Thats so aweful its not even fair.

Whitewolf821 said...

I guess in some ways I needed to know the actual story. Obviously there are ways that it makes me extremely sick. I just wish I had brought him home with me. He would have had a forever home with me where he would have been doted on.

Interesting to know that I was told a vet worked on him through the night and still couldn't help him and it's actually true. I always thought that was one part of the story that was false. I wish someone had taken care of him before. He was a beautiful boy

It's been over a year now since he passed, and I hope he is resting in peace. He definitely deserved it

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MyTwoPonies said...

"who the hell is so vain they photoshop their ass in a pic?"

Actually- that's a good idea! Only I instead of the eraser tool I'll use the stamp tool and stamp my ass out or copy another one from the internet. Yes and bigger boobs & Jolie lips.

BuckdOff said...

I'm so sad for Jack, and what he must have gone through, if ANYONE has the audacity to defend these two, you have to be seriously screwed up. This is evil stuff, and they knew what they were doing, there was malice in this. I still believe there is money somewhere.They didn't pay their bills or necessities for the horses, they are sitting on some funds. A big butt is the least of her problems, maybe prison food would help.

dyrkfan said...

Dean should be more worried about covering her ass rather than merely "editing it"...

Truly disgusting- I'm glad I'm not in the PNW anymore, because I'd be joining that lynch mob- but wait- I can't- I have horses to support, so maybe I'll just have a couple of voodoo dolls made, throw them on the floor of my stallions stall, parade a few mares by & LET HIM DANCE ON THEIR HEADS!!!!!!!!!

CutNJump said...

my two ponies- if you want bigger boobs, just ask any of us whose cups runneth over. I'm sure plenty of us would be willing to share...

BTW- wait til you try to ride. They take on a mind of their own at times. :-) ROFLOL!

CutNJump said...

Poor Jack. Hopefully Dean will get her due roasting over the open flames in hell, while we all party on, toasting our marshmellows.

As for a lynch mob, I will bring the hotwire and I think while they are wrapped and frying we should toss them into the mucky mess that mare died in. That should conduct some current when plugged into a full 220v outlet.

I hope someone is around to piss on their graves when they die.

areias said...

Thank you so much for posting this...

I am not a horse rescuer, as I do not have the experience, money, or skills to do it. But I do dabble in some dog rescue. I have a small dog right now that is in need of surgery for her crushed knee joint. I picked up a good paying, short term gig, I am rolling change, and selling some DVDs and other things I don't use anymore. I'm not on craigslist or forums begging for donations for something I'm supposed to be responsible for anyways. I'd rather those donations go to a legitimate rescue or someone who has exhausted all resources and actually needs it. Thank you!

BuckdOff said...

Cutnjump, How are you today? Any suggestions on how to deal with these two? Hot wire and fireworks, sounds good to me!!

K said...

gunner, check the auction under Sam's name. She purchased the horse herself and marketed her through cber for a quick turn-around/profit.

fernvalley01 said...

This story is tragic ,I hope that they are finally prosecuted for the misdeeds and .Jailed I had thought that in the US animal control had more authority and could stop this kind of thing more quickly I have just been through a very frustrating situation with a tenant on our property and his neglect/abuse of animals(the story is horrifying and in deference to Cutnjumps tummy I will share it at a later date)in any case this twit was told to euthanize the animal and given nothing more than a verbal reprimand (education )by the SPCA in Alberta and he already has a history with them. Laws must change before any of these idiots will listen and take them seriously

Trillium said...

I really do not care if Dean photoshopped her butt. Sam has photoshopped her heart, it is MIA. In it's place is a cold hard stone.

Dean may be a hoarder, that is a psychological diease, and as such needs treatment.

Sam is a criminal, and needs to be arrested and thrown in jail.

Now I read that her charitable status is delinquent. Does that mean the the money that people send as tax deductable contributions, and claimed on their taxes is not declarable.

BuckdOff said...

I was too late, of course you do!!

fernvalley01 said...

By the way CutnJump Congratulations
Be well

Trillium said...

Damn it, I hate to make a spelling error on this board. You can not edit.
DISEASE not diease

BuckdOff said...

As someone so eloquently phrased it once before," I hope they are met by these horses at the rainbow bridge and that the horses stomp all over them, both.

dustbuster said...

YAY FUGLY!
You seriously rock my world!!
I'm disguisted by it all, absolutely disguisted. The above posters are right, lets stick her in a stall filled with her own filth. That's the LEAST she and that other woman deserves!

If you need ANY help at all, I'd be more then happy to help! I can be very resourceful and I rock at research.
You can email me at missladyluck39@hotmail.com

I'm still laughing my ass off at how she photoshopped her ass. Who the f*** does that kinda s***???

40whatever said...

I have worked for a human non profit for 25 years and one thing they are talking about is something called "activist donors". I think the horizon on that is very short for Ms. Sam and her conspirators.

Donors build them up, but they also have the ability, and the information, to take them right back down and then some.

Sam and CBER is nothing more than a low low level horse dealer with a new age twist - the internet and a charity status. It is only behind her rescue mask that she can peddle these horses. Sad.

I suggest since there are a great many donors from CA, to write the Atty General in that state as he has made a point of going after charities such as this, i.e., the Noah's Ark debacle during Katrina. Well it was actually the aftermath of 6 million in donations that got that woman out of the organization she founded and a bunch of restitution as i recall.

FearMe said...

This is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. $am I hope you rot in hell for what you did to these horses. You certainly deserve it. Karma baby KARMA!

My question is why did Alex Brown continue to support CBER and hush everyone question them? He continued and continued to allow them to peddle their horses and then they went to slaughter. In my opinion, he has blood on his hands and is just as accountable as CBER !!

gunner408 said...

thanks k!

that is what i have been hearing so I have an email into Patty to check for her under sam's name. I can't believe I didn't try that sooner. I am too trusting.

duff said...

I don't think she photoshopped her ass, I think she just farted and it's a gaseous cloud we are seeing. haha

4thehorses said...

In Washington State, horses get lice just living outside. I dusted mine monthly with pesticides! Yay!

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

You guys, I saw PEC/DEAn in person Sunday and I am here to tell you that photoshopped ass is HALF of what it looks like in real life. She is huge huge HUGE on the bottom and thin on top. She had those same jeans on and a cat piss sweater.

Liz said...

4thehorses said...
In Washington State, horses get lice just living outside. I dusted mine monthly with pesticides! Yay!

Um no, not really. I have lived here all my life and not once had I heard of horses getting lice... At least not until I got involved with rescues. Your average healthy and well-cared for horse in western WA does not just "get lice."

ljbrooks said...

I actually work to pay for the horses specifically. My hubby does a fantastic job supporting our family, but I was feeling a trifle guilty about the horse expense. So, I started a business and made an LLC and, voila, I can almost support my horses myself.

Now, granted, I do have two small children who I also take care of, so I don't work FULL time, but I do work about 20 hours a week, run the kids around, and even manage to pick up hubby's shirts at the dry cleaners once in a while.

I only have 6 horses, but one is currently taking SMZ's twice a day (FUN!) and another has his special grain mix, so I might as well mix everybody a special cocktail while I'm out there. Then there's the torn extensor tendon to bandage every couple of days...

I think I'm way off topic here. I just wanted to say that it can be done. Working and taking care of horses. I mean, I'm not supergirl. I walk, not run, out to the tack/feed room. I chew my food at the dinner table, and still I have time to work and feed the horses. Maybe I am supergirl.??

ubergeekbme said...

ljbrooks good for you. A job, what a novel idea, huh? LOL

What about mustanghearts rescue? The lady has no job and has 46 or more horses. Her sole financing comes from the Alexbrownracing board from donations. GET A J - O - B AND STOP GETTING MORE HORSES!

She has been asked by the landlord to leave her property, which I should add is rent-free, by June 1 (a letter from the landlord was posted on that forum). When asked about her plans for the horses, she screams foul every time. She will answer no questions about her donations. Not one. MH is another CBER rescue getting ready to implode.

Sadly CBER and PEC is not the only one. :-(

Sweetie'sMom said...

Wow Fugs, you really got it going on now!!
IF this were a movie, no one would believe it.
I hope they get what's coming to them. I still feel happy to have rescued Pi...despite all the bickering. But they need to be accountable - both of them. I know what Dean did (or didn't do) to Pi when she was "in quarantine." She was even "nice enough" to send me a picture of Pi running happily thru the pasture with other horses (uh, isn't she supposed to be away from other horses?!?!) and running on non-trimmed feet on a rotated coffin bone. Not smart.

mmom said...

I know this rescue has saved many horses, because I paid for some of them and then FOLLOWED UP. The ones I have been involved with are all are doing well, are great horses, and owe their lives to this rescue group. How many horses have you saved in the last year? How many feedlot horses have you been willing to handle and ride--I have had a couple off the track rescues and I won't ride them for at least a month, just for my own safety. As far as shooting a horse, I'd rather do that than have them go through the torture and agony of the truck and slaughter plant. The problem is over-breeding, and the profits of the slaughter industry, not rescues or shooting horses. I'm afraid all this mud-slinging (oddly joyful mud-slinging, in fact) takes the focus off the problem. Maybe you could refocus and try and help some of the horses sitting on the feedlot, one truck away from slaughter.

Denise- LessIsMore17 said...

Sounds to me that Sam does or did (:-) have a job, she's a horse trader no better than Chuck...NEVER EVER was a rescue. And Damn I hate to admit that I fell for this bullshit, hook, line and sinker-
My first donation was for $350 :-o after my DAD (I don't blame him)sent me an email that someone had Fwd'd to him. I live in freak'n GA!
Yes, horses were saved from going to slaughter from Chucks-and some would have even without the scam of CBER, but horses are saved from slaughter everyday @auctions, direct from kill buyers, horse traders, OTTBs etc. Guess my point is CBER was nothing more than a horse SELLING operation- the prices they charged and all the donations that people would tally and then question (the horse's name slips my mind, I know Ang would know She paid the euth fee for him straight through the vet- did the horse's name start with an H? Damn, this is going to bug me.- Fugs how long were you with CBER?
I know what some CBER supporters are thinking? Gawd are they any left? If CBER goes away then all the horses will suffer- true-BUT there are OTHER horses out there suffering just as much that REAL RESCUES are helping- wouldn't you want your money and efforts to go to a true rescue that is all in it for the horses and nothing more? It really is a scam and it's just sickening:-(
Sams INCOME ='d OUR donations
and my guess that she's going broke is because there are less and less donations.

TornadoBaby said...

Every inch of my heart wants me to go kneel on the graves of Jack and the suffocated mare, wherever they are, and tell them I'm so sorry for how they were treated...

No animal, absolutely NONE, deserve to suffer when the means to either treat them or humanely end their life was at hand.

The bitches.

ubergeekbme said...

This is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. $am I hope you rot in hell for what you did to these horses. You certainly deserve it. Karma baby KARMA!

My question is why did Alex Brown continue to support CBER and hush everyone question them? He continued and continued to allow them to peddle their horses and then they went to slaughter. In my opinion, he has blood on his hands and is just as accountable as CBER !!

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NeverGiveUp said...

Ubergeek:
Do you know how many people were etiher banned from ABR for speaking out or chose to leave because questions were shut down or post deleted? It is practically a ghost board now!

The FOB's donated tons of money to save these horses from the horrors of slaughter and now they are finding out they saved Nothing!

The moderator(s)who shut down any of the threads questioning what was going on with CBER are much to blame for how long this has been allowed to continue!

I hope all the CBER horses are removed from the ABR total horses saved!

gunner408 said...

as someone who feels like the did fairly in dealing with this group--aside from the increasingly obvious misrepresentation of my horse's origins--i have been reserved in my judgement, mmom, but what I see here is not really mud-slinging, joyful or otherwise. I see a lot of people with personal experiences with this group that are writing things that the women themselves have accused each other of.

This is not new, you can find people saying the same things going back years. The majority of these stories are based in people's personal experiences should not be invalidated as "rumor" or "gossip" or "mud-slinging". It's like the old addage: "where there is smoke, there is fire."


I have been reading these from an objective standpoint, but based on my own experience with CBER's shady behavior, and the fact that quite a bit of what other's bring up, I have experienced recently in my dealings with Sam herself, I have to say that I find the posters here to be pretty credible.

BuckdOff said...

mmom, sounds as if you and your rescued horses are the lucky ones here. How many people have responded with awful stories of being ripped off for money and horses that were not adopted but sent to kb, or worse, ignored and left to die a horrible death. If you can say kind words about these two grifters, more power to you. So many people on this blog have rescued horses or mules or contributed to reputable rescues. Some have tried to help and have been ripped off and had their hearts broken by these two. Haven't you read any of these posts? They list the horses by name and description, I think you should choose your battles more wisely in the future instead of taking decent, caring, people to task.

scorpiostinger said...

Poor Angel. My God, dragged out of the mud by a tractor?

Get a rope. I'll tie the noose and kick the chair...

I wonder if that jackass Chuck is from Texas? Alot of stupid shit happens here in Texas when some asshat says "Hold my beer and watch this...".

If there was truly any justice in the world, (I don't believe there is) than these two C*%Ts and other people like them would be beaten with bats covered in glass shards and then left to recover in the shit & mud they force the horses to live in.

Yeah, I'm a little pissed....

cutthecrap said...

HOOHOOHOOO

Here is Alex Browns' response to hearing that CBER may have sent horses to slaughter!!!!

quote=
stephanie, i may be in a minority here, but i do not believe the horses went to slaughter. if it is true it would be sad on many levels, but personally i do not believe it to be so. cheers, alex

end quote

BuckdOff said...

These two had no right to do this to the horses, or the kind hearted people who tried to save them, I'm just so bothered by the fact that everyone was treated so badly here. The people who responded here are just sick about this, they gave their hardearned money, believing they were saving a life , making things better, then to find out it was all for naught. Two evil individuals......

40whatever said...

I do think there are far more Deans than Sams out there, although the recent Fair Dinkum fiasco would suggest otherwise.

I personally think there is a hoarder profile for being a rescuer. I am not sure you could do it otherwise. i mean the ones who have over 10ish? Although Joe is an exception i think of right away, since he has like 100. But you know he still might have more in common with a hoarder than he doesn't. Its sometimes a hard call. I admire and respect Joe a great deal, would donate to him in a heartbeat. The level of care is what dictates i guess where the hoarder line is. Man that is a lot of pressure to care for 100 horses. You would just have to figure it would all somehow work out, wouldn't you?

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

What is with the cheers thing with him? Does he have an adult beverage in his hands at all times? That might explain the blind loyalty to $am.

I was a CBER supporter for about a year and a half. I left after $am sat on her ass for a month after learning Mandy Strother was starving CBER horses. Never occurred to the lazy beyotch once to hook up a truck and trailer and go pick up those horses before they got worse. If you are the head of the rescue and you won't take action when a horse is returned to you with a BCS of MAYBE 1.5 (probably 1), then you certainly do not deserve my support or donations.

spiritofhopefarm said...

Financially, I cannot imagine anyone daring to try to take on more than 10 or so unless they have a rich sugar daddy with a deep pocket. Relying on the generosity of others to make your bills and be able to take care of so many extra mouths is just nuts, IMO. I would never take in more than I could afford on what I make. Period. I just don't know how these people dare to do otherwise... geesh, you'd think they were an agency of the government, spending more than they know they'll make...

BuckdOff said...

I think Joe has them moving in and out and he and his wife both have other jobs.I also think he has cultivated a really strong bunch of people that assist him. They are like-minded and dedicated to the cause. He may have 100 horses, but he is also adopting them out and also I believe, has people who foster. I really respect this man, he is saving them one by one. He also isn't everywhere, hitting people up for money, I just think he GETS it.

qqqq said...

this is completely OT, but i knew if i posted it here, it would be seen. Fugly, maybe it's something you'd be interested in dedicating a post to? even though it's not HR: PLEASE, everyone, go and sign this petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition.html

to boycott the Presence of Guillermo Vargas at Bienal Centroamericana Honduras 2008.
In 2007, Vargas tied a dog to a wall in a gallery, and let it starve to death over several weeks, in the name of "art." he plans to repeat this process and BCH; please help make some noise about this.

Johanna said...

$am you fucking dirty bitch. Shady as the day is long.

Really needs her ass kicked up between her ears. We all know the money is somewhere, she will land cool as a cucumber when this all goes down.

skank.

Denise- LessIsMore17 said...

Sorry, cut and paste -I'm stupid and don't know how to post a link- when I was scrolling through the list of Gone horses at CBER I saw this obese mare.

http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/DEF-HorsesProfile.asp?HoID=773

I knew that horse looked familiar from your blog post
http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/DEF-HorsesProfile.asp?HoID=773

BuckdOff said...

Geeze, it just keeps getting worse, scumbags starving animals is not art..I'm going to turn in, my Lhasa is telling me it's time.... She's very bossy!!! Goodnight All

Denise- LessIsMore17 said...

Damnit I posted the cber link twice, but you posted about the mare a while ago and I'm too tired to find the link again :-/

Carole said...

I do not understand why Alex Brown continues to defend CBER. Does anyone know why he would do this in spite of all the evidence to the contrary? He's done this for a long time.

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

>>Financially, I cannot imagine anyone daring to try to take on more than 10 or so unless they have a rich sugar daddy with a deep pocket. Relying on the generosity of others to make your bills and be able to take care of so many extra mouths is just nuts, IMO. I would never take in more than I could afford on what I make. Period.<<

I could not agree more. This is why I have EIGHT not EIGHTY. It would scare the hell out of me to have more than I could feed without relying upon donations that may or may not show up.

redmollie said...

Mmmmm . . . my sister has some good friends in NJ who have offered to 'dispose' of bad boyfriends for her in the past. Maybe we could take up our own collection. I'm sure the price of an airline ticket would about cover it, along with a bullet ... or two! Cheaper than having our tax dollars support them in jail.

EquiSoup said...

I feel ill for those poor creatures.
But on a lighter note...the photoshopped butt was priceless.

Jason said...

Absolutetly disgusting and makes me sick to my stomach.


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BooYaa said...

Dean surrendered that were in such poor shape they had to be euthanized.

NO! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

WE BOUGHT ONE HORSE AT THE AUCTION. SHE HAD A SIGN POSTED ON HER GATE SAYING WHAT A GREAT MARE SHE WAS TO TRAIN YOUNG STALLIONS ON. SHE WAS CRIPPLED AND COULDN'T RUN! WE IMMEDIATELY HAD HER VETTED AND FEET DONE. WE PUT HER ON MEDS ON GOT HER COMFORTABLE AND LET HER LIVE IN PEACE IN A NICE WARM STALL AND SHE WALKED AROUND THE INSIDE OF THE BARN AND TRACK. WE DECIDED TO HAVE HER EUTHANIZED WHEN IT BECAME TOO PAINFUL FOR HER TO LIFT HER FEET TO HAVE THEM TRIMMED.

SECOND HORSE WAS A CBER HORSE THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN AUGUST OF 2006. THE ADOPTER CALLED ME AFTER NO ONE FROM CBER WOULD CALL HER BACK. HE HAD A SEVERE CASE OF STRINGHALT. WE CHANGED HIS DIET. EXERCISE AND PUT HIM ON MEDS AT 320.00 A MONTH FOR 4 MONTHS WITH NO CHANGE. WE DECIDED IT WAS BEST TO EUTHANIZE HIM ALSO.

NO HORSE WAS PUT DOWN DUE TO OUR CARE!

As usual, a reputable rescue is stuck rehabbing a ton of Dean's skinny, lice-ridden, rain-rotted horses.

SORRY, YOU COULD ALWAYS MEET THE ASSHOLE THAT BRING THEM TO THE AUCTION THIS WAY. THAT'S HOW I GET THEM. I TAKE IN THE WORSE CASES OUT THERE. NOT THE ONE'S I CAN ADOPT OUT IN 30 DAYS.

Also par for the course, both parties here like to make legal threats at anybody who calls them on their shit. OK, girls, sue me. We've been down this road before and I've told you before: Go for it. I'd love to depose you. I dream of deposing you both. Not to mention the fun of the discovery process in general! (Man, I can imagine few things more fun than going through your books with a fine-toothed comb and a forensic accountant, $am. That would be awesome. And Dean, I'd love to ask you under oath how it is you think you are a responsible rescuer when you are so broke the electric is getting turned off. You do know I can verify all of this, right?) And you both know that I have a ton of each of your former supporters more than happy to be witnesses to the fact that everything I say about both of you is the truth. Yes, I can represent myself in Washington. You are not going to get some attorney who is clueless about horse rescue to go up against. You're going to get me, and you know that I know where a lot of your bodies are buried. So sue me if it makes you happy, it will certainly be great entertainment for me.

BRING IT ON MISS KNOW IT ALL!

Snaffled said...

I’m so glad I tuned in today, I always wondered what became of DEAN and her “rescue”. I spent a few days Dean’s facilities in the summer of ’06 and was horrified. I’ll simply list what I witnessed:

A small, hot apartment above the stables full of various types of birds and parrots in cages with no food or water.

Utilities shut off including electricity and water.

“Quarantined” CBER horses with strangles roaming the entire property because the electric fence failed (electricity shut off).

No quarantine protocol was followed around horses with bastard strangles.

Hungry horses had access to tansy ragwort growing in and along every pasture and fence-line. Tansy had already gone to seed.

Fences in disrepair and falling apart.

People who had NO HORSE OR RIDING experience helped by Dean to buy horses from the feedlot who were barely halter-broke and unsound.

The only hay at the facility was the property of a woman acting as the PEC manager and was not allowed to be fed to any of the PEC or CBER horses, so my last day there about 90 horses went without food.

The only bright spot was that she did have a farrier out trimming her personal horses, there was a vet out to see a lame mare, most of the resident horses did not appear malnourished although they where not bright and healthy.

I talked to a equine-vet friend about helping me report her to AC in ‘06. She discouraged me and said that AC actually brought animals to PEC, and that were much worse hoarders around to be dealt with. Unfortunately, it sounds like conditions at PEC deteriorated since my visit.

Serendipity said...

What is with the cheers thing with him? Does he have an adult beverage in his hands at all times?

I usually end my emails with 'Cheers'. It's British slang, means the same as 'Take care' or 'See you later'. I was raised on British comedies, so I use their words often even though I've only visited sunny (Hah!) England once.

And the long-overdue karma of this post is better than chocolate. Even Easter clearance chocolate.

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

Excellent timing, snaffled.

I doubt my credibility is in question here.

oldfarthorses said...

Dean you stupid cow. We all have seen the horses that you had to have rescued from you. Serenity Rescue has a bunch and they are in FRIGHTENING condition. And YES 3 horses were euthanized at your property the day that AC SEIZED the rest you left behind. And YES you had horses that suffered with colic for 3 DAYS without medical care. Your double wide trailer you lived in was a horror show out of Animal Precinct with bird cages with 6 inches of SHIT piled in the bottoms. Your own barn manager stated that you had to throw birds in the DUMPSTER because you hoard those too. You are a lying FREAKSHOW and you always threaten to sue those that tell the truth about you but it never seems to happen???? Why????? Because you do not have the money to- not only did you not have the money to pay your fucking property taxes for hmmmmmm YEARS you also screwed over the property owner who sold you that place on a private contract(Signal Electric PEC was formerly Signal Stables) by not paying him and leaving him with a freaking DUMP with health and environmental VIOLATIONS (in case you forgot that part feel free to read the prior posts copied from the PUBLIC RECORD). That place was LOVELY before you got a hold of it...oh yeah you KNOW that because you still use the PICTURES FROM WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT to advertise.....even though that place looks NOTHING like that now. No reputable vet or farrier will set foot on your place as you owe them all money, your power has been shut off, your trailer repo'd(your poor daughter had to bail you out on that one) and oh yes your poor daughter......you ruined her credit too. All she ever did was try to be a damn good trainer but your slop ruined her reputation too.......oh and should we mention that even though you had to have your rescues RESCUED FROM YOU and you were EVICTED you just bought 10 more horses at the auction......can anyone spell
MENTALLY ILL FREAKSHOW?!?!?!?!?

robyn said...

What a complete balls-up.

(Joe, on the other hand is totally cool!! You da man, Joe! :)

Please keep us posted w/ what happens w/ these 2 looneytoons.

maggiemay said...

Life goes on for Sam. She posted on her blog today that she has started a new board and all are invited to join to help save the horses!

Makes one want to puke.

horspoor said...

Maggiemay,
Sam is posting about saving horses? Are they going to shut her down, or not? I'm so freaken confused.

jeniferb said...

If I recall the problems at PEC were going on for a very long time. At least 4 years ago I think people were talking about it. Why was nothing done about it. I remember hearing about it years ago that there were problems there. Why do people keep so silent.

It seems that Sam will get what is due to her one of these days. She must have used a lot of the money for her own use. That would be called a scam. There must have been a lot of money that has gone through CBER over the years. When they had the foster program going on, they were double billing. Bailing the horse out, then selling the same horse to someone else. We were supposed to be rembursed if I remember correctly. I for one never got any money back from the "bail". Too bad I didn't keep any records as I might call them on it. Of course the money is all gone now.

J said...

I think a lot of people DID try to warn others - but it went unheeded. NO one likes to be told that the cause they are fervently supporting has big problems...

Luckyduck said...

OMG, OMG, OMG!!!! I have been waiting and waiting for you to talk about Dean! I can tell you horror after horroh regarding that place and the ethics of her "rescue"!!!! UUUGGGGHHHH!!!!! bringing horse after horse onto the property without room to quarantine, then watching helplessly as half of them contracted strangles, she charged for services not done, did not get proper paperwork to move 20 or so ponies over state lines from a rescue operation, adopted out to anyone and everyone without ever once stepping onto the adopters property, hence putting a 4yr old ottb into a family's 1/4 acre BACKYARD, on a hill, and telling them it was an appropriate horse for the family's 4 and 5 yr old daughters!!! I watched that mare nearly kill those children when they reached up to pet her! What a waste of flesh.

Synastry Slew said...

Hmm....I was debating what to post....could it be the CBEr tactics of "this horse trotted sound" only to show up three legged, permanently lame and about 15 years old than estimated?

How about the winter when horses died right and left after they arrived at adopters homes? Horses that traveled interstates with strangles, fevers of unknown origins or just so damn old that the trip killed them?.

or hmm......how about the fact that I adopted/fostered over five times and NEVER once had a home check, a reference check or even filled out an adoption form?

or how about when a local foster home said she could no longer care for her foster horse and that it was having a hard time gaining weight......did CBEr check on it? NO... I volunteered, found the horse to be emaciated and removed it. Did CBEr take the horse back? NO. I had to take care of the horse and find it a home.....they didn't care where or with who....well at least until after I turned on them over the CCg incident....then they demanded the horse or they were going to take legal action...yeah, like that ever happened. They wanted to send the horse to a facility that Sam now says was substandard and lacking in care......but guess what? That is one horse who is still alive and thriving...no thanks to CBEr.

or how about the fund raising for horses on the lot who were paid for two or three times? The money was quietly kept...so many contributors didn't notice in the heat of "saving" a horse off the lot.

How about the foster care that I was never reimbursed for? How about the fact that they never ONCE checked on horses in my care or did any follow up of any kind.

They are horse brokers...period...cutting a fat hog on peoples emotions.

Shooting horses when they become inconvenient is not what rescue is about. Selling a horse back to slaughter is not what a rescue does either.......it is what a broker does. CBEr never rescued a horse....it's fan club did all the work...while CBEr kept the cash.

creeps...

ralstoncowboy said...

Sad thing is that an awful lot of these horses don't sound like they would even be fit for the cannery when they left this "rescue". Way too many unwanted horses are kept alive waaay too long. That doesn't benefit anyone except for peeps like this and the goobers that send them $$$.

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

>>I think a lot of people DID try to warn others - but it went unheeded. NO one likes to be told that the cause they are fervently supporting has big problems...<<

Well, what happened is that when we DID warn others, we were accused of being pro-slaughter and "wanting horses to die." I cannot tell you how many times I have heard that about myself.

Whitewolf821 said...

>>BRING IT ON MISS KNOW IT ALL!<<

Let me guess. Dean. Wow, so after everything I've heard about you from people in the business that KNOW what the hell they're talking about, you think you're going to take on Fugly? I've only had the pleasure of meeting her once, but she sure as hell knows what she's talking about.

But then there's you. You who I now honestly believe needs locked in a stall with some disease to rot. You single-handedly killed a beautiful horse that I, for one (and I'm not the only one) loved. Get a life and get lost before the lynch mob finds you. It'd be way too nice of an ending for you.

la mexicana said...

To luckyduck and all the others who have been unfortunate enough to have had dealings with Dean or PEC in the past:
Could you please document in writing what you know or have personally witnessed? This information needs to be submitted to the proper authorites so Dean will be dealt with properly. We need to make sure Dean and people like her are prohibited from ever possessing animals again. If you would like more information, please e-mail me. My e-mail address in on my profile.

And Dean, don't bother sending me threats again. Not only is it an old game, you never follow through on anything. You had your opportunity to make things right. All I have to say to you now is
BRING IT ON!

la mexicana said...

Whitewolf - would you e-mail me please? Thanks

Synastry Slew said...

we did tell them.....and we asked pointed questions which CBEr ignored...then they labeled us as trouble makers.

The rest of them just kept drinking the kool aid and blindly giving up their hard earned cash.

Whitewolf821 said...

la mexicana-

Would, but my fiance has a fascination with messing with my OS. I couldn't figure out how to get Linux to tell me the email address instead of using the link (I'm new to Linux). Wants me to set up a bunch of crap that I don't know how to set up. Give me a sec and I'll add my email to my profile for a few

Whitewolf821 said...

OK...go ahead and shoot me an email. I'll leave it up on my profile for a bit

J said...

"Well, what happened is that when we DID warn others, we were accused of being pro-slaughter and "wanting horses to die." I cannot tell you how many times I have heard that about myself."

Right, I recall that tactic well. It's almost Roveian in its evil genius, and certainly cynical.

I wonder how many major infusions of CBER$$ there were? First, COTH (where I found them); then, after the split, their own thing; then, RO; then ABR...

Amazing how many supporters-turned detractors-turned supporters again there were, that always mystified me.

weldingwoman said...

From another board-
"They have copies of their 2006 tax returns on their site. They took in about $400K in donations, got $200+K in horse "sales" and I could not find any listed vet fees or feed expenses. Sam also "paid" herself $20K and took dedutions because she "donated" her truck and car to CBER. Maybe the IRS should take a long hard look at her tax returns.

Maybe? Ya, I think so. Professional Asshat.

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Hillary said...

Interesting stuff on the 2006 tax return there $am the Platypus. Guessing 2007 isn't done cooking, huh? Goodness, $4,500 in telephone expenses? And for reals, we're to believe you held a bake sale?

I'm worried now because a mare I looked at that was listed in foster forever (with a really great guy actually) has magically disappeared claimed as adopted, but I doubt it.

My ex and I wanted her something fierce but after two months of waiting for our application to get blessed, ironic with the fire sale must rescue now nonsense they do, we already found something much, much better for our money.

I knew that KoolAid tasted like it had artificial sweetener in it!

Whitewolf821 said...

Hey, wait...I just figured it out! I know why she had to photo shop her butt!!!

Her head was shoved so far up there, she had to photo shop it out!

marzbarz said...

Hi folks,

Have been lurking for a few weeks due to DSL problems and not having much time to be online.

Fugz, you called this one a long time ago, and as horrifying as it is to see the horses that have gone down with these... ummm... these $%!#^@! asshats, at least this may finally put enough of a public tailspin on their wretched practices that folks will wise up and not fund them. I've no empathy whatsoever for the human element, even if it started with good intentions.

Tired and sad and crashing for the night (but wanted to say hello!) - Shannon

marzbarz said...

OMG - just read through the commentary. I really hope I don't do any dreaming tonight - any dreams I have won't be of pleasant things.

austriancurls said...

Hey Guys, look what I found on legitimate non-profit organizations on Barncultures, yes...this is ON TOPIC:

Washington Thoroughbred Transitional Facility
Years as an Organization:
12

Description:
Providing a safe-haven, rehabilitation, and socialization in preparation for a life beyond racing. Horses are evaluated for soundness, temperament, conformation, and movement prior to being offered to qualified individuals willing to continue their education in a new vocation. Our goal is to create awareness and education surrounding the horse racing industry while providing rescue, rehabilitation and adoption services. We are 100% volunteer based organization and no member receives a salary for their time or talent.
Contact:
Dean Solomon
2065515369 Address:
13615 SE 288th ST
98042
Kent, WA
United States

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

Unfortunately, the transition seems to be from out of the frying pan into the fire.

There was another she adopted out to a family with barbed wire fence. Yeah, he died as a result of his injuries. What was his name? Some of you know this story.

BuckdOff said...

Hopefully enough people will read this blog and tell their friends who will stop giving these two grifters cash. They need to find new funding, land, whatever, we should all get the word out. But I know I said this before, there is money stashed somewhere. If this Dean person is starting up again, she probably has a cushion somewhere. I just feel for the reputable rescues who are trying to make a difference.

austriancurls said...

Hey...

Doesn't someone have a picture of this Dean lady, I'd sure like to see what her butt really looks like!

*grin*

Cutnjump...*beer toss!* to go with your hot tape and popcorn.

Spirit said...

wow. I am speechless.

BuckdOff said...

Don't you just love the internet? I just found out, I can photoshop my whole body, and look just like a supermodel!! Austriancurls, a poster said they had seen this Dean person in real life and her butt was actually HUGE... Really big!! I don't get it, if you aren't happy with the way you look, start working out...Oh, Sorry, That four letter word...WORK....

ljbrooks said...

Hillary - Which horse are you talking about? I know of one that sounds familiar and can tell you where she is.

-Lisa

PS. I probably can't check back here today. Hmmm...are you a member of RO? You could pm me there.

austriancurls said...

Well, you sure set yourself up for it when you put an image like that on the net.

Hmm...maybe I'll put big ole presurgery Dolly Parton boobs on my body in all the pictures showing a ton of cleavage, think that'll help my business? Duh.

tobimissg said...

I don't post much and just read. One thing I can't spell to save my life. I do live on the east cost and can tell you, I have never seen her in any shows around here.

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jeniferb said...

some of you missed this but I photoshopped her butt back in. Check it out:
http://s275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/graywolf_photos/?action=view¤t=photoshoppedass2-1.jpg

BuckdOff said...

Tobimissg, Don't worry about your spelling, I post, can almost spell, but can not type worth a damn....and punctuation, fair to poor.. Anyway, have a great day, it's actually quite beautiful here today, 60s and sunny, Of course I have to work!!

Whistlin Dixie said...

I hope that all those affected by these corrupt rescues can band together and put together a really solid case against them. I know a lot of warnings have gone unheeded, but be persistent...people WILL listen!! Sorry so many of you have been fleeced, but it's good to know things are finally imploding on these idiots. Good luck!

Oh and the photoshopped ass is priceless. Seriously. You find the BEST material, fugs haha

Vivi said...

Hi Fugly,
Thanks for posting all of this about CBER. That arse is hysterical! Wish I could photoshop my arse away, it would save me $ and time trying to burn it off at the gym!

I'm as horrified at the conditions at CBER as you are, and at the extent the two women went to get funding, BUT (and you knew this was coming) I believe, imho, that the donors need to take a bit of responsibility as well.

Just like any rescue worth its salt will do farm checks BEFORE adopting out a critter, any donor should investigate where they plan to send their money. A while back, I noticed a lot of my Left Coast horse friends were talking up CBER- and either trying to adopt slaughter bound horses or send them money. I looked into CBER myself, as one of their guilt ads just didn't sit right with me. Oh... you can find out so much just by using Google... and also Google Groups. Complaints against CBER for exactly the reasons mentioned in your Fugly blog, have been around for years. I'm sure further investigations (say with the state attorney general for their non-profit status, or BBB, etc) would most likely have turned up additional material.

Now, I'm not excusing CBER or letting $am & Dean (and whomever else is/was involved in neglect &/or scamming the public) off the hook. Personally, I think they should have the fleas of a thousand camels infest their armpits (and other sensitive areas). But, as donors and consumers, WE need to be pro-active. WE need to educate ourselves before these people can do the kind of damage that has been done. If that could happen, if that DID happen, there would be a LOT less situations like CBER... and, hopefully, a lot fewer neglected "rescues."

Sorry for any typos- I've got a band-aid on my finger and am racing out the door for school...

Thank you, Fugly- thank you-

Foster1 said...

Talking about these psychos is important but what about the real problem? What are we going to actually do even if we get rid of CBER and PEC?

Getting more back yard rescues is spit in a bucket. The immediate problem is $400/ton hay this summer. It's Nutrina Senior for $17.95/bag now and $24.95/bag soon.

One of the core issues is what you have dedicated yourself to address - BYB's but surprise! we already have 20 years of bad breeding and fugly horses. Add in the commercial breeders and the TB industry and the results are inexorable. The only slight positive is that the slowdown in house construction will slow the breakup of horse farms for a little while.

Slaughter may be gone but what are the tens of thousands of horses that used to go there going to do now.

How long until horse rescues become like cat shelters: places for processing live animals into dead ones.

People we are fucked. Every horse rescue in Washington state is full and the flood is just starting.

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

>>How long until horse rescues become like cat shelters: places for processing live animals into dead ones.<<

I think that is what is going to have to happen.

At least it will be a humane death from a veterinarian. And you know, just as those shocking pics of dog and cat corpses lying piled up in barrels truly DO make the point and encourage people to spay/neuter, perhaps the public needs to see a rendering truck stacked full of dead horses to get the message to stop breeding crap horses/overbreeding any horses/not training what they do have.

Slaughter conveniently took the end result away from everybody's consciousness. Sending a horse to an auction, you can pretend it got "a good home." La, la, la. Out of sight, out of mind. It's not MY old horse hanging from a meat hook in those pictures. No way that happened to HIM.

People NEED to be shocked and horrified to change their behavior. We had to do it with dogs and cats. As I said to friends last night, when we were kids, how many people spayed/neutered? Now, most of the people we know do.

We CAN change things but hell yes, horses ARE going to suffer in the meantime. Still, in the long run, ending slaughter and forcing people to take responsibility for their animals - or face legal consequences - is what's best for horses. I firmly believe that.

Again, I have absolutely no problem with veterinary euthanasia even as a matter of convenience - i.e. because you can't afford to feed. Beats slaughter, beats starvation. Sure, I'd like to see you do what you can before taking that step, i.e. a second job, selling unnecessary luxury items, cancelling your cable, etc. - but you'll never see me bash anybody for having a horse euthed as opposed to auctioning it or letting it starve.

HorsePoor said...

Slaughter is NOT GONE!!! The horses now get shipped to Mexico and Canada.

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

The big point is the emotional impact...a lot of people are going to choose the 2nd job/making other sacrifices to support their horse if THEY are the one who has to stand there watching the vet give it the pink stuff.

Taking it to an auction? Oh hell. So easy for many people. I will never forget standing in line to pay at Woodburn listening to this clueless girl tell the kill buyer what kind of bit her horse liked to be ridden in.

CutNJump said...

fernvalley- please make no reservations on my account. All it will do is make me buy more hotwire and show up for the lynching! LOL! I can claim 'hormonal' for my actions. At least for the next few months anyways...

Foster1 said...

You are correct HorsePoor. Slaughter is alive in Mexico and Canada but the rates are radically different. The last year of US slaughter we sent 150,000 to the plants. The first year of slaughter bans and travel restrictions there were an estimated 65,000 horses trucked across the borders. That makes 85,000 unwanted horses left behind. The auction prices reported on this blog speak directly to that.

ALS said...

Honestly...this is a fine example of many reasons I try hard to avoid getting to invoved with rescues..I did find one which was very good and I actually put a little toward helping some horses and one was even sent to me..to foster.

I have a prime example of something similar to this not on such a large scale but basically horses turned over to a so called rescue who had numerous horses die from improper care and handling..

and people would send money to this woman..who you guessed it does not work because of some "disability"

I personally saw 4 horses die in that hole as a result of improper care and handling..

I personally took 3 horses from that property...1 was owned by someone who was keeping him there..he was a stud..in a small 25x15 mud pit with 2 other studs..I chopped his nuts off and he was a great horse
the other two did not cost me a dime except to fix them

1 arabian gelding had 1 eye and had strangles I gave him to my cousin who was looking for a nice horse/pet
the other was an arabian stud who she used to breed anything with a uterus that came in the place.

And she would then lie about using him for breeding. She forgot at one point that she had told me she would never bred him because she then later said oh this foal has her daddys color thats her daddy

He was a basket case when I got him...i rehabed him chopped off his balls and found him a home and to my knowledge he is a great...trail horse..

I busted her using a craft type class she was giving though a non profit association, she would have people make products and sell them to "donate" to the horse rescue..

the horse rescue she had told the SPCA she no longer operated yet was still begging for money on her crappy e bay store...

I turned her ass in to everyone..she could never provide any documentation of shots coggins nothing and could not /would not say which vet gave them and would not could not get the records..

the internet makes so many of this possible too many trusting people

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

A low auction price is not "proof" that a horse is unwanted, however. Many of us, myself included, own horses who auctioned cheap. I also own a free horse. I wanted her. I was thrilled to get her for free. I'll keep her for the rest of her life.

I don't really think the term "unwanted" is accurate. Many horses wind up on that truck to Mexico for no other reason than human irresponsibility. Selling a horse - cleaning it up, showing it to buyers, schooling it so that it will ride nicely for potential buyers, posting it online and making flyers for the feed store - this involves work. Many people don't want to put in the work, so to the low-end auction they go. The number of rescues who very NEARLY went to slaughter out there being ridden and loved proves that many of these horses were suitable for riding homes and those homes were interested in having them. They just almost didn't get that chance.

They're not unwanted horses, they're equine victims of human irresponsibility.

Kay said...

Fugs for some reason the story about that young girl has haunted me ever since I first read it. I makes me tear up whenever I think about it.

I can usually handle most things, they might make me mad but they don't bother me like that story.

BrassTax said...

THANK YOU FUGLY! I had the misfortune of boarding at Dean's quite awhile ago. She started lying immediately and it took a little while to figure it out so I got to see a lot of these things first hand. IMO she has a serious lying problem and believes what she says. When I heard about CBER, my first thought was anyone who would work with Dean more than a short time (enough to realize what was going on) was of questionable character themselves. Boy was that theory proven correct. Regardless of how she defends herself now in an attempt to deflect the scrutiny, I know and it sounds like a lot of others know how she rolls. I will never forgive her for what she did, especially those birds. Things like the winter of 2006 when her water froze and she had over 70 horses. When asked what what they were drinking, was told they were "eating snow", telling an adpoter a horse was gelded and charging them for it, only to find out it was not and being sued successfully for it(there's some proof), having a vet, farrier and feed store cut her off for writing bad checks and running up huge bills, giving the mini horse that she "bought" and never paid for to the neighbors and telling them it was rescue, while the owners frantically searched for it, and on and on and on. And how about a rescuer that breeds her mare? Lets add another horse to the world? This SICKENS me. Even if on some level she "means well", it does NOT excuse her actions, how can people defend that? I knew someday it would all come down, but I am horrified at how many innocent animals were affected. My biggest fear now is she is moving on to "greener pastures" and do all this again. God help those animals and the ones she left in her wake.

Fugly, you rock! Thanks for the chance to vent, it's been building up for awhile. Gawd, where's the Tylenol...?

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

>>the internet makes so many of this possible too many trusting people<<

That is exactly it and that's why I try so hard to discourage everybody from sending their money to people they can't check out in person (or at least check references/reputation on).

There most likely is a local rescue near you that is well run and deserves your donations. I know it is not as much "fun" to do that as it is to donate online and have everybody go WOW, YOU ROCK, GOD BLESS YOU! but if you really want to know FOR SURE where your money is going, that's a good way to go.

I also STRONGLY encourage you all to only donate to rescues with very open financials. If they are hiding things, it is for a reason.

Foster1 said...

And you Fugly are also right. Euthanasia will/is happening and will be a base for greater publicity. We have already had a good USAToday article and a couple of national mags are working on larger articles.

Problem is that all the things we talk about are only bandaids. A proper balance of horses to owners that can use, love, appreciate and afford them will require the death of way over a million horses.

Fugly, you better than anyone in this country have alerted the world to this problem. We have millions of horses who are or are destined to become unwanted.

Over the next 5 years we are going to have to kill these horses. We are going to have many many long trenches full of dead horses. We are going to have to contend with gallons of toxic blue juice seeping into the water table.

Sorry, I am crying as I write this. but I don't think there is any other way.

We spend a lot of time talking about who is at fault. It doesn't matter now because we, the horse community, own the result. If we can't solve the current problem, for Gods' sake can't we start now working to keep it from happening again???

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

>>My biggest fear now is she is moving on to "greener pastures" and do all this again.<<

And that is why I want EVERYBODY to know about these two. I figure they will both pull up stakes and move on to another state full of potential scam victims when things tank for them in Washington. I'd like to make sure everybody is forewarned.

fernvalley01 said...

OK CNJ and all
I can't send pics of this mess because I don"t know how but here is what happened . My Husband and I own a second property 1/4 section with house about 20 miles from us. We have had chronic problems with tenants so had listed the property for sale.There had been some concerns about the care of the livestock so we followed up. the tenant had an injured filly severe wound lower hind and there were pigs at large on the property.The horse was witnessed down with the pigs chewing at the wound. Alberta SPCA was contacted and responded quickly however they just reprimanded this ass and told him to euthanize the horse and left . It was left to my hubby and I to ensure this had been done. Upon arrival at the rental we found that the hose had indeed been shot but were disgusted to find the carcass had been thrown in with the pigs!Suffice to say that illegal and we next had to involve the government vet and food and agrculture.this portion ends well I guess as the contaminated pork will never enter the food chain for human consumption however this Jackass still owns several head of horses ,ponies, and donkeys all of which are fed adequately but none are receiving proper hoof care or regular worming etc

fuglyhorseoftheday said...

Foster1 - I agree with you. I wish I could come up with some sunshiny alternative but I don't see one.

Here's what you can do right now. It's breeding season. Think before you breed, if you're a breeder.

Summer's coming. Time to ride if you don't have an indoor. Get those unbroke or green horses good broke. Protect their future. Do it now. Stop procrastinating. Shit, you guys, I KNOW. I work 2 jobs. I KNOW how hard it is to come home and ride. I've had a lot on my plate. But I swear to you that my three year old will be w-t-c broke by the end of summer. I'll put video up September 1st and prove it. How about the rest of you?

Those of you with colts...are they really stallion quality? If not, let's get them gelded this summer, for sure.

Those of you with free time and horse handling skills, donate your time to a rescue to socialize/do ground work/train horses as your skills permit. That is something you can do now.

Those of you with free time who are past your wild-rescue-horse-wrangling years, but still have knowledge, volunteer with Pony Club or 4-H. Train the next generation about proper care and responsibility. You can do that now, too.

There is so much we CAN do now. Please take the time. Yeah, we're gonna have a wreck, but it can be a lot smaller wreck if we all put in some time, effort, money and thought towards these issues.

Piper said...

where did all that money go? probably to pay for her copy of Photoshop. I am a photographer. I am also knoledgeable (obviously not spelling) in photoshop. she should have used the cloning brush instead of the paint brush. moron. LMAO!!!!

This week is the first time i have ever heard of CBER or PEC. these people need serious repercussions for what they have done. that horse in the muck? then being DRAGGED BY A TRACTOR?!?!??! only to be killed from said incident???? INTOLERABLE!!!!!!

i think not only should euth. be CHEAP as hell but i also think it should be legal for people like $sam and Dean to be euthed as well. what's the worst they are going to get legally? some slap on the wrist with fines and a statement saying they can never own an animal again???? yeah right. i've heard of people slapped with that and they still have animals. also, they file bankruptsy. they don't learn. they will NEVER see that what they do is WRONG. put them on an island with no animals so they can only have insects as pets. seriously. there is a medication out there to help people who are hoarders. it's called Paroxetine. give it to them. for free.

yvette said...

Random responses:
It's not Dean's fat ass that is the problem, I know women with large-ish (ahem) hind-ends who work plenty hard. The photoshopping however? BWAAHAAAAAAA! Effing hilarious and deserving of finger-pointing and scorn.

The "cheers" thing? (pet peeve alert!) If you are from the US, it is an embarrassing affectation and you should stop immediately. It is like the tourists who go to the UK for a week and come home and saying "jumper" and "biscuits". No one thinks: "ooh, that is so sophisticated they said "cheers" like they do on them PBS shows." And I assure you any Brit you encounter will probably be too polite to tell you to STFU, but they are certainly thinking it. Okay that rant was more adamant than it should have been! ( I was right about the pet peeve thing - I could go on but I am sure that is someone else's peeve!)

NOW - the Dean Solomon thing-- I went to PEC last summer, June 2007. I was interested in a horse listed on Dreamhorse an OTTB named Cadillac Caddy. After several rather condescending emails from Dean regarding my fitness to adopt, many assurances that my references and facility would be checked, and little impromptu "quizzes" on what I would do in a given situation, a time was arranged for me to go to meet Caddy (I put the attitude I was getting in the emails down to "concerned rescuer weeding out the riffraff", and so it didn't bother me at the time). However when I arrived at PEC at the given day and time, there was not a human on the place anywhere. I went to the trailer to see if anyone was home - and the porch was crammed with (ironically) old exercise bikes and equipment, stacks of newspapers to the rafters, plastic flowers and toasters and blenders and every type of junk you can imagine. There were two or three dogs just caterwalling the whole time, so I knew noone was on the place. I heard other dogs inside the trailer, scrabbling and barking. Through the very dirty windows I could see cage after cage of various parrots and other birds.

When I made my way out to the barn—it REEKED of ammonia and rot. The horses in the stalls were fed, but there was all shit and no shavings in the stalls. The barn was full of trash -- I mean like garbage. Like the stuff you put on the curb. I saw 2-3 bales of hay in this enormous hay storage area. There were even more parrots in cages in the barn. There was a month-old foal loose in the hallway -- its nervous mother stretching her neck out the stall door anxiously nickering to the baby. I halfheartedly tried to get the foal in the stall, but mom was very agitated, so I gave up. Again, this stall had manure heaped up in it -- it was filthy. Then as I walked through the barn to the back , there was a large dirt and crap corral with probably at least twenty-five horses in it, every one of them skin and bones with horrible feet. I could see that at the back of the corral, the board fence was down, and horses were stepping over the crossed downed boards to come up to see me. Four of the horses were shires, and all ribs and hips. They were all friendly it just broke my heart to see them in that state. Not a single one of the horses in the back had proper weight or farrier care. They were starving, right there in front of me.

When I walked back to my car, another car was pulling up - and this guy got out, I asked him about where Dean was and that we had an appointment and he made a big deal about how it was so unlike her to miss a meeting & etc. This guy was pure Skeeze and my spidey sense started tingling, so I got out of there. I called Dean back two more times, basically to chew her out on the state of the horses, but she never returned my calls.

I reported her to King County Animal Control. They knew all about her, and had had so many complaints lodged against her that the lady I spoke with was loathe to do the paperwork for another. I insisted and got the name of the officer assigned to the case. I left a message and got no response from them. Left another message; I missed the return call and got a message telling me that the officer knew she had a problem and was working with her to take care of the horses already in her care. I have no idea what that actually means, and King County Animal control is notorious and has some serious animal care problems of their own. I didn't do anything else, because I didn't know what else to do, and also because I had a serious personal tragedy occur during that same time period. Since that time though, I have often thought I should try to do something about PEC, but following this blog I knew that many people were on this woman's case, so I gave to charities I knew were good; which seemed to be the best thing I could do in this imperfect world. I hope Dean Solomon is never given the opportunity to torture and neglect another living creature.

(Descends from soapbox)

CNSpots said...

Well Fugly fans, someone has posted a pdf list of CBER horses (264 pages)and details. You can find it here:

www.freewebs.com/kattpatt/index.htm

I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but it's supposed to contain horse names, date they were on the CBER website, their status, price, & detailed descriptions.

Enjoy (or actually NOT)

suvalley said...

I will look forward to the flames to come today, lol (Shame on me) But there is no defense-no reasonable person could conclude that what these two women did was anything remotely acceptable.

Paper proof, from those of you that have it, needs to be gathered-surely someone can whip up a website for that right quick?

Anyhow, what is happening in the L48 with excess horses is simply an expanded version of what we deal with here in Alaska every year. No auctions, no plants, no renderers (aside from dog mushers) no retirement facilities-nothing!

Once they arrive here in state, they tend to stay due to the expense of hauling them outside. So the population slowly increases over time, while our hay lands shrink due to development. The do gooders who brought in several hundred PMU mares and foals didn't help matters any either.

Our local rescue froup (www.alaskaequinerescue.com) is overwhelmed, and cannot take in any horse that is healthy, for any reason. My vet says people are trying to give away horses, to anyone who will take them-and it will get worse as hay prices rocket through $400 a ton for local. A few enterprising folks are trying to do boarding, and here is the result of one such situation:

www.suvalley.blogspot.com

I really feel for these poor creatures. I have no idea what the solution is, all I feel is great anger and outrage and helplessness, because all I can do, is help those that come my way. And support our local group of course....I foresee a great tragedy on the horizen :(

CutNJump said...

Auscurls- Sorry I will be passing on the beer for the next few months. You might be late to the party here, but you will certainly be invited to the baby shower... *wink*

readytoride said...

This reminds me of all the bogus PMU foal rescues during the PMU foal adoption heydays of 2001 to 2003. Ah yes, the good ol' days, internet was in wide use, there were many fancy websites, and it was still before so many ranchers lost their contracts to Wyath or decided that the PMU foal adoption sites were bad press.

There were many scamming rescues. One that I will mention was Wingate Farms, that DID deliver some horses to adopters but took money and DID NOT deliver horses for many others adopters.

It was high drama reading the message boards and seeing many nice people kicked off as soon it dawned on them that they were not getting the horse they had spent money on and that the foal was going to the kill buyers any ways. I wish Fugly had had a site then to post these on.

Johanna said...

Yvette.

I lived in the UK for many years.

Brits can be prissy pommies for sure.

Cheers is an old east coast phrase. If you recall a few of us Yanks decided we didn't want to kowtow to a nutters king who felt he could tax us up one side and down the other.
Yeah, it's called the English language because we share quite a few words.

Duh.


Please, save the pommie prissdom for a UK board.

mmmkay?


Otherwise, great assessment of Dean-Asshat.

yvette said...

Joanna I warned you it was a peeve! Yeah, totally irrational and snarky.

Apologies, but it still bugs me! I figured I would be leaning on someone else's buttons....SO, again my apologies and I will take my "And another thing-- they spell with unnecessary vowels!" comments elsewhere.

Cheers!!

yvette said...

Oops--
I mean "Johanna" sorry for the name-mangle.

austriancurls said...

yvette,

I lived in the UK for five years, and now in Austria (come from the US). I mangle my vowels all the time and when I write something formal, I have to go check that the spelling is either American or English, but not both in the the same text.

Cheers, just after leaving I said it all the time because it was expected of me to talk like a brit if I was in Britain, rather than an Ami.

Habits are hard to break :)

CutNJump said...

fhotd-
They're not unwanted horses, they're equine victims of human irresponsibility.


I could not have said it better myself.

So many of the horses ditched at low end autions are failed by their humans on soooo many levels before ending up there.

Weanlings/yearlings- are there because in many cases they should not have been bred in the first place. BYB or High Volume Breeders dumping them as 'culls' that they simply couldn't sell.

Yearling/2-3 year olds- they are usually wild and unhandled, marketed as 'project horses'.

Anything older with training, may have been long since ruined physically or mentally, through rough, abusive and/or ingorant care. They may have developed habits out of fear in their attempt to survive the situation, long enough to be 'dumped'.

Broodies can come in all shapes, sizes, breeds and colors. They may have simply 'not took' the last time we bred so she's out on her ear- papers or not.

Stallions- well we all have at least one so off to the auction with the rest of them. They may be wild and unmanagable (to read neurotic) due to being locked away in a stall because the owner has no clue how to handle them.

The auction and KB's are not the ones at fault, the people who repeatedly ruin, starve, abuse and neglect horses and dump them off there to meet their end ARE!

la mexicana said...

Brasstax - Please e-mail me! I'll let you know how you can help.

Again, anyone that wants to help, contact King county Animal Control and the King County council as soon as you can. KCAC is under investigation for corruption just like this case wiht Dean. The supervisors need to know what has been happening!

Also, if you have any info regarding animal cruely and neglect you have witnessed, write it down and send it to me. My e-mail address is listed on my profile.

Piper said...

that's it. i am moving to King county and i am going to personally take over the animal control department. i will hire a vetrinarian who has no problem with euth. I will also fire EVERYONE who sits on their ass complaining about having to do more paperwork. paperwork schmaperwork. DO SOMETHING. if there is a complaint lodged against someone, my employees WILL go to the site and establish whether or not the animals are actually in harm. if it turns out to be a viable complaint. the people running the facility, or living in the home will be immediatly arrested and the animals will be immediatly removed or at least my employees will clean up the issue at hand (dirtyness and the like).

wow, i wish i lived in that perfect world i created. :(

CutNJump said...

Can we all join you there Piper?

Piper said...

yes! please join me! :)

Magna Cum Mule Trainer said...

I'll drive trailers and kick people's sorry asses, Piper.

Street Mutt said...

ATTN: IRISHEYES

Thank you for posting on my personal blog. Please check back for my responses.

CutNJump said...

I'll wrap them in hotwire!

And help ride/drive horses as well as kick these two gal's sorry asses up between their ears. Gawd knows there's enough room... Even for Deans'.

CutNJump said...

My 3 Arabs it looks like our roller coaster car headed for hell is taking a slight detour.


Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

HorsePoor said...

31 horses found dead on a farm in Kentucky. The owner was too ill to care for them. So you just let them STARVE??? Are we supposed to feel sorry for him? Asshole. What's his wife's excuse for watching them starve? *headdesk*

http://tinyurl.com/53u8hy

jennywho said...

Hilary, I think I have the horse you are talking about, you can email me at jennywho27@hotmail.com.

I don't know which horror stories to list about CBER.

I guess the one that got me completeley off the koolaid was when the horses were starving, abused and being sexually assaulted, a CBER volunteer went to the place and saw with her own eyes and still CBER did NOTHING. Some concerned individuals had to call the Sheriff and get the horses because $am wouldn't get off her ass to do anything about it.

Or what about that skinny old mare, Thumbelina/Fayth. The adopter posted pictures on the CBER website of the mare collapsing under her husbands weight and CBER did nothing. There was also a comment the person made about beating her with a broom to ensure respect.

Or the foster that after a year begged for CBER to take the horse back since they had never seen a dime towards her care. $am did nothing so the foster threatened to take the horse back to the lot. $am said fine, I'll make sure she ships to slaughter.

Off the top of my head I can list over 20 horses that CBER adopted out that were noticably lame, blind, etc. Yet they were advertised as riding horses.

The very first horse that I offered to take in was a very old emaciated appy mare. I live on a multi-million dollar farm (not mine) and my boss had okayed her coming here. She died while they took over a week to process my application, yet they approved cuddlycowgirl almost instantly.

Yes, I drank the koolaid for a long while and it makes me sick. Not at the money I lost, but for the times I was worried sick about horses, waiting to hear that they had been "saved" and the times I cried because a horse had shipped.

I will never forget my outrage when I was told that Painter shipped because $am wanted to teach us all a lesson. Good thing there was a happy ending to THAT story.

Sorry for the rambling. I just couldn't decide which story pissed me off the most. I'm sure I will remember more.

Tomorrow I will have a CBER horse euthanized that should have been put down when she arrived at the lot two years ago. Instead CBER pawned her off on different people, none of which had the balls to end her suffering. Nice rescue, real nice.