Looks more like the dumbasszone to me...

http://www.dangerzonehorses.com/



(I know this thread is going to disintegrate into a fight over pit bulls, so I'll address that up front. I know many good pit bulls. However, as a whole, the breed is often selectively bred for aggression and often poorly trained or trained to be aggressive. The breed has a very high prey drive. Do I really think anybody needs to be breeding more pit bulls? No. If you own one, and you are responsible, and yours is properly trained, not used for fights, and not running amok loose in the neighborhood, all the more power to you. Now can we PLEASE talk about the horses?)

First off, I am not sure if she thinks she is a rescue or a dealer. She seems sort of confused. Many of the horses look like this one - underweight, saddle sitting on their withers, badly ridden if ridden at all. Of course, the eye-burning hot pink background just adds to the horror!

But hey, what did you expect from someone whose photobucket name is slutbucket_2? (Can I just say how much I LOVE people too dumb to make their photobucket private? They are my favorite! Check it out fast before she pulls it down!)

And even better - you KNEW she'd be all over youtube with her scraggly looking horses and ill fitting tack. I don't even know where to start:

So not a western pleasure horse, and honestly looks pissed.

Leads? What are leads? But look, I can stand on his back!

Don't we all ride our green horses with a loose horse in the field? (Wanders in about 2/3rds though)

Oh, here's the skinny one from above ... and boy is HE pissed. Don't you love how it doesn't matter what way she's circling, she's always on the wrong lead?

Holy SHIT I think Jabba the Hut is riding this poor mare! It's WAY wider than she is, whatever it is!

Good grief. I don't have the time to look at them all and my lunch hour's over so, erm, enjoy doesn't seem to be quite the word for it...but hey, $10 says Slutbucket will show up here to defend herself and that ought to be a serious good time!

OMG shut up already - are YOU going to feed them all?

Some equine pro-life wackos named Juli and Caitlin are running around the Internet bashing Days End Horse Rescue for euthing some horses that had behavioral and health problems. (Days End Horse Rescue site)

Shut UP already, Juli and Caitlin. Just STFU.

Here's a clue, sunshine. Every responsible rescue is going to have to euth more horses in the coming months. It's really quite simple:

a) No one wants them to go to slaughter. Slaughter equals torture.

b) No one can AFFORD to feed them, house them, vet them, trim them all, either. You can't, Juli and Caitlin. Nor can I. And the government isn't going to pay for it.

c) There is no magical way to make their owners and breeders suddenly be responsible for them. Trust me. I'd go to a damn voodoo practitioner if I thought it'd work.

d) Some rescue horses are unadoptable. They are too screwed up behaviorally and have a high possibility of hurting someone. If they are adopted out and kill someone, trust me, "someone's" parents are gonna sue. That will take the whole rescue down. As I have stated a million times here, ALMOST NO ONE is (a) qualified and (b) wants to (!) take on a rank or unhandled or explosive horse.

From their web site:

"Maggie JUST learned how to walk/trot when she was adopted out to a family with a child. A few weeks ago, Maggie was returned to the rescue. Apparently, she was in a freak accident that seriously injured someone....The rescue considered her "dangerous" and treated her like a "crazy pony". After 3 weeks, Maggie was euthanized.
Yes, Maggie injured her rider, but it was an accident! Maggie was sent to the wrong home and she suffered for it. ALL horses are considered dangerous, and MANY horses have injured their riders! Just look at Jessica Forsyth, a young girl who had her horse Boomer. Jessica was riding her horse, when she fell off and died. Jessica is dead, but Boomer is still alive. He killed his rider, but he is still living. So why isn't Maggie?"

You know why? Because PEOPLE SUE WHEN PONIES KILL OR MAIM THEIR CHILDREN. That's why. Jessica's parents didn't blame the horse, and kudos to them, but it was their long-term horse. They hadn't just gotten it from someone else. And of course someone said they'd have taken Maggie if they knew she was going to be euthed. OK, so have they adopted another horse to fill that space? $50 says no. People will ALWAYS take another horse if you threaten to kill it. Doesn't mean they can afford it or have room for it. DEFHR chose to be responsible and not play that game. They simply euthed the unpredictable pony, end of problem. Pony had two good years with them. You can't say they didn't try. Sometimes we fail.

e) Some rescue horses are crippled and hurting. They have problems that can NOT be fixed. Just because they are eating and whinny for a carrot does not necessarily mean they should be kept alive. Putting a horse to sleep, as I have ALSO commented many times, is not stressful or traumatic for the horse. They get tranq'ed into lala land, get the second shot and off they go. They don't know they are going to die. They don't have time to anticipate. They are not terrified like they would be in a slaughterhouse. There is absolutely nothing wrong with euthanasia and just like with dogs and cats, the end of slaughter (hopefully!) means that WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO MORE EUTHANASIA. Deal with it! Do you prefer they hang from a fucking hook in Mexico with their throats cut, Juli and Caitlin? Or starve in the backyard of some faux rescuer with "a big heart" and a thin wallet?

Good God. The last thing a decent rescue needs is some wacko running around the internet bashing them for actually making responsible choices and not being death-phobic ninnies. I guess Juli and Caitlin love the people who euth nothing and just let it hobble around the yard until it goes down and can't get up. That's great, you two. That's just so much better. Again, just more death-phobic, reality-avoiding idiots running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

We are going to have a lot more euthanasia until people stop:

1) breeding low end horses
2) failing to train effectively and appropriately (for ALL levels and prices of horses)
3) failing to provide proper care (nutrition, feed, deworming, etc.)

If you don't want to see horses dying, address those three issues. They're what's causing it - not the rescues that are trying desperately to clean up the mess caused by 1, 2, and 3. I have absolutely no problem with DEFHR's euthanasia policy - in fact, I think it is an excellent model for other rescues to follow.

Disgracing the legal profession with every word he writes!

One of my observant readers found a web site from this neanderthal asshat who thinks horse tripping should be legal.

He tells this AWESOME story to "prove" his point:

"I had a black stud horse, I loaned to a friend for breading. He was a strong horse with a little bit of a mean streak."

OK, THAT MEANS HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GELDING! Thanks for breeding more horses with a mean streak. We need more of those!

"When he came back he was just crazy. I have the impression that during the two weeks he was gone, he was let loose with a number of mares in heat."

That would make him tired and highly manageable, not crazy. Maybe your asshat buddy used him for tripping practice, THAT would make him crazy.

"The day after he was returned, the hand who took care of him, was taking him out of his stable, to put him on a pole where he would spend the day."

*headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*

"When he got near a mare that was not in heat, he reared up and got away. The stud took off after a mare. She rebuffed his approach by kicking him just as hard a she could. He would not take no for an answer and he went after her aging and she continued kicking him. One of the guys, who were nearby, threw a rope around his neck. This just got him madder, and he jerked the rope out of the roper’s hands and took off down a road towards where some children were playing."

'Cause he was gonna attack those small children because he couldn't get a mare...stallions do that all the time, you know. They are fire breathing dragons and it takes a real man to control 'em! With a big rope! Never mind that I can ride my (16.2) stallion in a halter and a lead rope and I'm a 5'3 girl...

"That’s when I saw mangana work. A short small Charro threw a loop around the front legs of the crazed animal. Down he went."

Should have shot him while he was down. Y'all missed your golden opportunity to improve the gene pool.

"Three of us got to him at about the same time. I grabbed the original lead rope and a second lead rope was attached on him. Someone grabbed the rope around his neck. When we had him sort of under control, the loop on his legs was released and the three of use got him into a corral. He lost his masculinity the next week. I figured he was going to hurt someone and it was probably going to be me."

Ah well, at least he got gelded even if was because you're a chickenshit and a bad trainer!

And just to REALLY piss me off, he put in a bunch of completely idiotic comments about polo, which show that he doesn't know JACK SHIT about anything but horse abuse in the name of culture:

"If you’ve seen a polo match, then you know that a polo mallet in full swing can open a foreleg to the bone."

OK, let me break this down for you, you ignoramus: A polo mallet weighs almost nothing. The cane is bamboo and the head is about 2/5ths of a pound of wood. I could beat you over your stupid, ignorant head with a polo mallet repeatedly and cause no worse than bruising. There is no way in hell a polo mallet has ever opened a horse's foreleg to the bone and considering that we play them in wraps with foam or neoprene boots over that, even a bruise seems highly unlikely. How about you put the same leg protection on the horses you want to rope and throw to the ground, you jackass? Ha. You'd never do it. Just wouldn't be as cool without the blood, right?

But hey, dumbass here just thinks we're racist and elitist if we don't support his right to rope horses by the forelegs and send them crashing to the ground. Which is interesting because he claims to be a lawyer...so I checked him out. There is a Randolph M. Janssen who is an attorney in San Antonio, Texas. I wasn't sure it was him but then I managed to confirm on the fax number for the "San Antonio Charro Association" - it's the same as his law firm. What an UTTER DISGRACE to the legal profession! I am completely and totally disgusted and I call upon all of you to help ensure that any clients of his or prospective clients KNOW what this man endorses and participates in during his free time. Remember, it is not libel if it is the truth so if you post that this man endorses horse tripping, that is not a lie. He is proud of it - but still tries to hide his crap behind an anonymous domain registration. Yeah. That worked great, Randy, didn't it?

You want to sue me for this blog, Randy? I bet you do! Let's GO, you fucktard. It's ON. I'd LOVE to go up against your lame, pathetic, animal abusing ass in court. I'm guessing the Animal Legal Defense Fund might want a piece of you, too. Hope you've cleared your calendar!

Hey - good catch - blog reader Two Fishies just found where the Attorney General of Texas stated a jury could construe horse tripping as torture. Hey, Randy, good luck hanging on to your law license when the whole world finds out what you support and participate in! Even your own state thinks you are an asshat!

Anyway, he invites comments. So, comment away! And here is his e-mail. Remember, your opinion is protected. Threats are not. Threats make you look just as bad as he is. Share your opinion but do not cross the line. He is entitled to his opinion and we are entitled to tell him - and the world - what we think of his opinion.

On a happier note - do you remember Lucy from the Enumclaw sale? She is today's Friday Featured Rescue! Stephanie reports that she's a superstar to ride and would be great for an intermediate rider. She bathes, longes, good for farrier, and has become totally "in your pocket. She still has some headshy issues from clearly a less than wonderful past, but that is the only flaw. She is 100% sound, a very cute mover, and ready to move on with an owner of her very own.

I personally would VERY much like to see this mare go to a teen or petite adult lady who has a lot of time to spend feeding her cookies (she didn't even know what they were when I got her!) and getting over her fears with love. She is 15.2, 14 years old and a Thoroughbred. Please e-mail me with LUCY in the subject line if you would like to come try out little Lucy - she is in Enumclaw, Washington and yes, I will adopt out of state with proper references.

Have a great weekend, everybody!

Too bad lasik doesn't fix barn blindness!

Awww, look at this sweet looking 4-H gelding. Now if only someone would feed him and deworm him...and maybe get a better farrier, his two fronts look totally different.

Oh wait, he's not a gelding. He is instead described as an "outstanding AQHA dun stallion." Huh? Yup. Owned by Hopalong Assidy, pictured below in the saddle.

Look, I'm not saying everybody's gotta have a Chavez, but that saddle is older than I am. I can't remember the last time I saw buckstitching. The 4-H kids know better than to put something like that on their horse!

Also, try adjusting your breastcollar so it doesn't look like your horse is gonna catch a knee in it. A hole punch is a wonderful thing. You can get 'em at Fleet Farm for less than the cost of a case of beer!

Now let's talk about poor little colt there. OK, buddy, it's a Quarter Horse. One of the major conformational features of the Quarter Horse is the hip. Your horse doesn't have one. To put it in terms you can understand, your baby ain't got no back. He's got an upright shoulder, too, he toes out on all fours, and he's got all the muscle development of a starved Ethiopian child. Proper nutrition would fix some of this, but he's never going to be stallion material.

Hopalong missed the AQHA conformation lecture entirely, as we can see from his choice of broodmare. This sad little, equally assless filly is a whoppin' 13.3 at three years old. SO LET'S BREED HER! Yup, he did. To the thing above. Looking at these two parents, I'm thinking that baby is going to come out resembling an Italian Greyhound with hooves.

And yes, that's his two year old daughter, bare headed on a three year old filly. Because people like Hopalong always reproduce. That is why there are so many like him!

The filly's barn name is Porche. I think that might be an Italian veranda.

OK, so if you don't want to pay $4500 for pony mare and her unborn assless wonder (buddy, should I just start posting pics of what you CAN buy for $4500? I mean, I can buy an AQHA quality show prospect for $4500. Seriously.) you can send your own horse for Hopalong to train! C'mon, doesn't the following paragraph just make you want to sign right up?

"I Train all types of ranch style ridding including Western Pleasure and Trail. I am Currently filling stalls for Training and Boarding. I have trained Breeds including: Fresian Crosses, Quarter Horses, Fjords, Paints, Morgans, Arabians, and more... I hyave trained horses in Wisconsin and Idaho and worked with different trainers from Wisconsin, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, and South Dakota. I also give Riding lessons to kids and Adults of all ages. I charge $575 for a month of training, that includes indoor board for training and $25 for a one hour Riding lesson."

If only I could figure out how to start ridding the world of breeders like this, I'd be a lot happier!

P.S. Hopalong, when you show up here, this was sent in by someone who has to drive by your shitheap facility and see your skinny horses every damn day and they are really sick of that. So, memo to asshats everywhere, if your horses can be seen from the road, you might want to try feeding/deworming them.

We can afford an overpriced gypsy cart horse...

...but not good enough fence to keep him from breeding everything with a vagina!

"I have 2 mare that they Gypsy stallion "Barnaby" decided to romance while we were out of town. Came back from vacation to find him with my 2 saddle mares. I have a 1/2 Shire 1/2 Thoroughbred broodmare that is confirmed 20 days in foal on September 3rd. She loads, ties, stands for the farrier and was told she was rideable. I have ground drove the mare which makes me think she possible had been ridden in the past. She has some feather and her tail touches the ground. The second horse is a 5 year old paint mare that I just got on August 9th of this year for a riding horse. She is confirmed 15 days in foal on Sept. 3rd.She is a real sweet girl that is broke to ride. She also loads really nice, stands for the farrier and has been trail ridden by beginners. The first two pictures are of the Gypsy Stallion. You can view more pictures at www.snakeriverdrafts.com "

So I went to their web site. Read this paragraph and tell me you can't hear the train whistle coming down the tracks!

"In 2005, my husband purchased 3 draft mares as an anniversary present. The passion for these beautiful animals has grown. Our herd is now 17 horses strong in just over 2 years."

Then they plug the fencing, which is fencing I like - but it is NOT STALLION FENCING.

"Anyone who has draft horses knows that they scratch on everything. Any fence we were going to put up would still need to have an electric strand around it to protect the fence. That is why our ranch will only use Safe Fence. This product is wonderful- It is electric, easy to install and looks great!"

But it sure as hell doesn't contain a horny Gypsy Vanner!

Good luck selling your oops babies out of those two fugly mares in utero. You're gonna need it!

P.S. It's not too late to abort them!

P.P.S. He "romanced" them? Oh givemeabreak...they are mares in heat, they would have F'ed a donkey if it had gotten in their pen.

Good and bad crossbreds

People tend to generalize and think I hate all crossbreds, so in contrast to the Pintabians I was making fun of a few days ago, let me give you an example of a good part Arab tobiano stallion. This one was sent to me and I have to agree - if you are going to breed spotted part-Arabians, this is the kind you want to breed.

He is correct, pretty and most of all USEFUL. What I like about this horse is that even though they have chosen endurance as his discipline, one look at the photos on his web site shows you that he could have been equally successful as an English Pleasure horse. (Although staying sound for 1000 endurance miles says a LOT to me about something's worthiness to breed on, not to mention that he has to ride in a herd, with mares in heat, and behave himself in order to compete - and he does.)



The great irony here is that according to some ads I found online, he sold for the price of one breeding to that blech Pintabian from my original blog. Which would you rather have?



I'm not totally anti-crossbreds - especially when they can be part of an established and respected registry that has horseshows, like half Arabians. I just think you have to know your stuff regarding genetics, conformation, etc. so that you don't wind up with some kind of mix and match nightmare with the worst traits of both breeds. It's easier to screw up breeding a crossbred, in my opinion, and that is evidenced by the stunning numbers of just godawful hideous draft crosses out there thanks to that weird "Oh, everybody is going to want a draft cross, you'll get rich on them" trendy nonsense that went around a while back (and appears to still be going around with the slower folks...) My god, what auction these days doesn't have a zillion of the things going to kill? Sad, sad, sad!



If you are a "beginner" breeder, it really is best to stick with one of the "main" breeds and get good advice from an experienced breeder. By experienced, I do not mean "has been doing it for 50 years." I mean "their homebreds win at the shows/other type of competitions RIGHT NOW." That's the person you learn from if you want to do it right. And please don't even think about if if you don't have disposable income and the ability to train or wherewithal to hire a trainer. If you just want a baby to play with, there are a ton of them already out there.

Oh man, these people get the FHOTD award of the day! LOVE IT!

Sale ad:

APHA Palomino Overo Stallion. Mighty Awesome mare. Mr Be Downtown mare. Skipper W mare. Palominos. 5YO to 15YO. Great herd starter. $10,000. Individual offers considered. All credit criminal check required to buy. Free Cemetery Plot For Abusers. (770) 891-5718 http://www.cederstrand.com/

(Before you say it, no, I am not thrilled about the mini stud that is cheaper without papers on their web site, sigh, but in general it looks like a lovely farm with well cared for, quality horses, proper facilities, and a good ol' snarky sense of humor and commitment to their horses' safety - not just making a buck!)